[KS] Fw: Fw: Fw: CHART needed: North Korean transcription system

Thu Apr 29 22:48:53 EDT 2010

It's a very good point that Aiden Foster-Carter makes. It calls to mind my
long privately held view that it is South Korea, Taiwan and Hong Kong that
are severely romanization challenged.  I can't completely agree that the
North Koreans got it right, but the PRC's 'ping-yin' system, Vietnam's 'quoc
ngu,' and Japan's current system make one wonder both at the relative
complexity of Korean romanization and how smoothly the other systems work.

Will Pore

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:23 AM, <Afostercarter at aol.com> wrote:

>  Many thanks for this link. I can confirm it works.
>
> While this debate will run and run, I'm sure we can
> all say amen to North Korea's conclusion (page 9):
>
> We have maintained the principle that the transcription of Korean
> geographical naines should not be changed rapidly, but rather smoothly.
> If the romanization of a nation’s language changes from time to time
> without
> consistency, it will cause only confusion in linguistic life.
>
> As an instance of such confusionism, I've twice heard the BBC
> pronouce the sunken ship as three syllables: Chee-Oh-Nan.
> I wrote in to correct this, but one can hardly blame them.
> To the western eye, this is what that gratuitous E suggests.
>
> Once again it is the DPRK which has the better principle:
>
> We have paid regard to the tradition and history of the romanization of
> Korean, which counts more than 100 years.
> In the romanization itself, instead of the Korean people, the West European
>
> people’s sense of sound is in the center.
>
> How interesting, unexpected, and even ironic that in this matter
> it is North Korea which is non-revolutionary and non-nationalist.
> Best wishes
> Aidan
>
>
> *Aidan Foster-Carter*
>
> *Honorary Senior Research Fellow in Sociology & Modern Korea, Leeds
> University, UK*
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> ___________
>
>
> In a message dated 4/28/2010 22:50:55 GMT Daylight Time,
> hkyi at u.washington.edu writes:
>
> Hi,
>
> Our Gov Pub Librarian at the University of Washington helped me locate the
> pdf file of DPRK's Guideline for the Romanization of Korean.  Here is the
> instruction.
>
> 1.Go to http://documents.un.org/advance.asp
> 2. Type E/CONF.94/INF.72 for Symbol
> 3. Then you will be able to get the PDF file.
>
> Hyokyoung Yi
> Korean Studies Librarian
> East Asia Library
> University of Washington
> Seattle, WA 98195-3527
> Tel. 206-543-6603
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Hoffmann" <hoffmann at koreaweb.ws>
> To: "Hyokyoung Yi" <hkyi at u.washington.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: [KS] CHART needed: North Korean transcription system
>
>
> Hello Ms. Yi:
>
> Thousand thanks!! This is more helpful that you know.
> Can I ask you to also post this to the KS LIST
> (koreanstudies at koreaweb.ws), so everyone else
> also gets the info (after I already started that
> thread)?
>
> After the URL you give in your email, you might
> want to say that one should first click on
> "Welcome" and then on "Simple Search" or
> "Advanced Search".
>
> Thank you again!
>
> Frank
>
>
> >Hi Frank.
> >
> >Try the instruction below by our Gov. Pub Librarian.  I also saved and
> >attached the file in PDF.
> >
> >Hyokyoung Yi
> >Korean Studies Librarian
> >East Asia Library
> >University of Washington
> >Seattle, WA 98195-3527
> >Tel. 206-543-6603
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Cassandra J Hartnett"
> ><cass at u.washington.edu>
> >To: "Hyokyoung Yi" <hkyi at u.washington.edu>; "David Maack"
> ><maack at u.washington.edu>
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:57 PM
> >Subject: Re: Fw: [KS] CHART needed: North Korean transcription system
> >
> >>Hi Hyokyoung,
> >>
> >>Go to the UN ODS system http://documents.un.org/advance.asp and
> >>copy-n-paste E/CONF.94/INF.72 into the field marked SYMBOL. I found that
> >>the .PDF doc was there and opened without a problem.
> >>
> >>Cass
> >>------
> >>Cassandra Hartnett
> >>U.S. Documents & Women Studies Librarian
> >>Government Publications
> >>Box 352900 - Suzzallo Library
> >>University of Washington
> >>Seattle, WA  98195-2900
> >>206-685-3130  fax=206-685-8049
> >>cass at u.washington.edu
> >>
> >>
> >>On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, Hyokyoung Yi wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi Cass,
> >>>
> >>>Do you have any clue on how to find UN document? Please see the below.
> >>>
> >>>Hyokyoung Yi
> >>>Korean Studies Librarian
> >>>East Asia Library
> >>>University of Washington
> >>>Seattle, WA 98195-3527
> >>>Tel. 206-543-6603
> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Hoffmann
> >>>To: Korean Studies Discussion List
> >>>Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:48 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [KS] CHART needed: North Korean transcription system
> >>>
> >>>Short update:
> >>>--------------
> >>>Just found that the 2002 DPRK system has been published as a United
> >>>Nations
> >>>publication. Unlike many other texts it seems this cannot be downloaded
> >>>at the
> >>>UN website. Does anyone have a copy of this publications he or she could
>
> >>>scan?
> >>>
> >>>Guideline for The Romanization of Korean (Democratic People1s Republic
> of
> >>>Korea). Eighth United Nations Conference on the Standardization of
> >>>Geographical
> >>>Names. Berlin, 27 August - 5 September 2002. Document E/CONF.94/INF.72
> >>>
> >>>http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/technicalpapers.htm
> >>>--> E/CONF.94/INF.72 (listed, but not downloadable)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Also, the earlier system from 1992 can be downloaded here as PDF file:
> >>>
> >>>http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/17th-GEGN-Docs/working-paper57.pdf
> >>>Cheers,
> >>>Frank
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>--------------------------------------
> >>>Frank Hoffmann
> >>>http://koreaweb.ws
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >Attachment converted: MacHDD:N0253581.pdf (PDF /«IC») (036FF80F)
>
>
> --
> --------------------------------------
> Frank Hoffmann
> http://koreaweb.ws
>
>
>

-- 
William F. Pore
Associate Professor
Global Studies Program
Pusan National University
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