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<DIV><FONT face=굴림 size=2>Interesting discussion. I've seen, in so many
cases, people concerned about being 'pc' are often not the target of the
term. As a personal example, I am a member of the Little Traverse Bay Band
of Odawa Indians, in Michigan (US). So many non-Indians like to say
'Native American', and even a few Indians do, too. However, you will find
many, if not most, like to be called by their native language name; most
outsiders don't know those names, so tribal names, such as 'Odawa' (formerly
Ottawa) are fine. The name 'Indian' is often used (sometimes by the
abbreviation NDN). A slightly OT article, but still related to cultural
awareness: <FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><A
href="http://members.tripod.com/TopCat4/twinkie.htm">http://members.tripod.com/TopCat4/twinkie.htm</A>
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<DIV><FONT face=굴림 size=2>I see 'Oriental' frequently still used here in
Korea. 한방(漢方) is often called "Oriental Medicine". Dong Guk
University's satellite facility in the U.S. is a good example: </FONT><A
href="http://210.94.176.254/dru/home/"><FONT face=굴림
size=2>http://210.94.176.254/dru/home/</FONT></A><FONT face=굴림 size=2>
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<DIV><FONT face=굴림 size=2>Thomas Duvernay</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt 굴림; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=vladimir.tikhonov@east.uio.no
href="mailto:vladimir.tikhonov@east.uio.no">Vladimir Tikhonov</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt 굴림"><B>To:</B> <A title=Koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws
href="mailto:Koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws">Koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt 굴림"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:21 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt 굴림"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [KS] Does "the Orient" still
exist?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Of course, it is plainly obvious - and it was actually
understood even before E.Said's seminal work - that terms like "Orient" or
"Occident" had been imagined, defined, and re-defined with very obvious
political agendas in mind. But, then, "Asia", for example, is an equally
imaginary unit, and in Russian, the word "Asiatic" has been, in times, loaded
with even worse pejorative meanings that rather romantically sounding
"oriental" - remember, for example, still oft-used word "aziatchina" ("Asian
[societal or political forms]" - in many contexts coterminous with "despotism"
or "tyranny"). So, renaming The Faculty of Oriental Studies into, say, Faculty
of Asian and African Research hardly will cut off the links to the
"disgraceful past". Wouldn't it be wiser to respect the legacy of the
"Orientalist" past while simultaneously trying to be conscious about all kinds
of political agendas in our research work and avoid certain traps our
predecessors did not manage to avoid? That remaining doesn't necessarily
correspond to the real change, is shown very well by the example of An'gibu
which is KukchOngwOn now - Hanch'ongnyOn students didn't get any better
treatment under the new signboard.<BR><BR>Vladimir <BR><BR><BR>At
10:46 08.05.2003 +0200, you wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">It need not be emphasized that
the Russian tradition has from its outset been (a rather splendid) and thus
acknowledged part of the European academic tradition.<BR>However, it should
be pointed out that in spite of obvious "colonial vestiges" there is
substantial reason for maintaining Faculties of Oriental Studies: For
instance, East Asian history of thought most obviously cannot be understood
without reference to Indian and Central Asian developments. Vice
versa, traditional Indology is heavly dependent on the knowledge of Chinese
texts....<BR>The belated opposition against suspected forms of "Orientalism"
might in fact mirror a certain preoccupation with political notions of the
20th century.<BR><BR>Joerg Plassen<BR>Ruhr-Universitaet
Bochum<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>CHIRKOV D S wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">Greetings,<BR><BR>Tikhonov
writes that "The faculty I graduated from in St-Petersbourg, remains
"Oriental" - and, I guess, will not change the name."<BR><BR>What,
however, proves the point that "oriental" is an imperialist vestige, is
the fact, that in St.-Petersburg, there is not simply an Oriental Studies
Faculty, but a Faculty of Oriental and African Studies (!).<BR><BR>What
brings scholars to intellectually group Korean Studies with Persian,
African, and Georgian is clear: a Russian attempt to mimic European modes
of education.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite"><BR>It is ironic to note, that
until recently, Europe considered that Russia itself, is, the
Orient.<BR><BR>It is high time that one of the largest countries in Asia -
Russia - take steps to integrate itself into the East Asian context.
Removing outmoded distinctions based on a colonial understanding of the
world is in order.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Chirkov.<BR>dchirkov (at) fas
harvard edu<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>--
<BR>------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Dr.
Joerg Plassen, (Jun.Prof. Geistesgeschichte Koreas)<BR>Ruhr-Universitaet
Bochum<BR>Fakultaet fuer Ostasienwissenschaften<BR>Sprache und Kultur
Koreas<BR>D-44780 Bochum<BR>Germany<BR><BR>eMail:
joerg.plassen@ruhr-uni-bochum.de<BR>Tel. (off.) :
+49-(0)234-32-22919<BR>Fax (off.) : +49-(0)234-32-14747<BR>Tel.
(priv.) : +49-(0)234-798-1235<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><X-SIGSEP>
<P></X-SIGSEP>Vladimir Tikhonov,<BR>Department of East European and Oriental
Studies,<BR>Faculty of Arts,<BR>University of Oslo,<BR>P.b. 1030, Blindern,
0315, Oslo, Norway.<BR>Fax: 47-22854140; Tel: 47-22857118<BR>Personal web
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