<DIV>I know this is not an overly scholarly contribution but last time I used the word "oriental" to describe an "asian" person (that is, someone who I guessed came from China, Korea, Japan or somewhere in that vacinity), I nearly got my lights punched out by a female post-colonialist acquaintance of mine. It was more a slip of the tongue, as I see myself as one who follows post-colonial theory. Yet, such anachronistic vocabularly, with the heavy baggage that it brings, can be offensive and, as in my case, present a danger to one's physical well-being. </DIV>
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<DIV>Further, I don't know if anyone else has raised this but, the fact is that "Asia" (a-si-a) is now becoming widely used in Korean -- though I'm not sure about other Asian languages. To me, this demonstrates that though it is a constructed concept and largely geopolitically incorrect, it is being appropriated by people in places we might call Asian, not simply imposed by westerners. These two things suggest to me that terms like "oriental" should be kept safely within inverted commas. </DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Send Koreanstudies mailing list submissions to<BR>Koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws<BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>http://koreaweb.ws/mailman/listinfo/koreanstudies_koreaweb.ws<BR>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>Koreanstudies-request@koreaweb.ws<BR><BR>You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>Koreanstudies-admin@koreaweb.ws<BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of Koreanstudies digest..."<BR><BR><BR><<------------ KoreanStudies mailing list DIGEST ------------>><BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR>1. Re: Does "the Orient" still exist? (Victor Atknine)<BR>2. Re: Does "the Orient" still exist? (Vladimir Tikhonov)<BR>3. Re: Does "the Orient" still exist? (Keith Howard)<BR>4. Misunderstanding Hanja (dbaker@interchange.ubc.ca)<BR>5. Korean women rulers (Jbopfell@aol.com)<BR>6. Re: Does "the Orient" still exist? (lawrence driscoll)<BR>7. Re: Does "the Orient"...? 1 vote for "Asian Studies" (Kenneth G. Corwin)<BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>From: "Victor Atknine" <NATKN83251@ROGERS.COM><BR>To: <KOREANSTUDIES@KOREAWEB.WS><BR>Subject: Re: [KS] Does "the Orient" still exist?<BR>Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:03:21 -0400<BR>Reply-To: Koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws<BR><BR>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.<BR><BR>------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C31538.4AE3C9A0<BR>Content-Type: text/plain;<BR>charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR><BR>Hello,<BR>this is to respond to DSChirkov's message.=20<BR>The faculty's original name is precisely "Vostochnyi fakul'tet", =<BR>"Oriental (lit. "Eastern) Faculty". There is no word "African" in it.=20<BR>Though it may sound rude, here is my question: is this about "political =<BR>correctness"? If yes, here are my suggestions to politically correct =<BR>persons.<BR>If "Oriental" is bad, according to "Sweden's postcolonial thinking", =<BR>then "Asian" isn't good either, because it implies the Asian vs. =<BR>European (or American) controversy :). I suggest using capitals only. =<BR>Department of A(sian) Languages, or Department of AA (Asian and African) =<BR>Languages. However that's bad, too, because alphabetically A precedes =<BR>E(uropean) or IE (Indo-European). That's not politically correct.=20<BR>Just for reference. Like in China later, there had been a name change =<BR>movement in Russia. In 1930, The Asian Museum (Aziatskii Muzei) in St. =<BR>Petersburg (then - Leningrad) was renamed to The Institute for Oriental =<BR>Studies (Institut Vostokovedeniya). I am curious to hear would anybody =<BR>blame Russian academicians and Academy bosses for propagation of =<BR>colonial ideas.=20<BR>Victor Atknine.<BR><BR>------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C31538.4AE3C9A0<BR>Content-Type: text/html;<BR>charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR><BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3>Hello,</FONT></DIV><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3>this is to respond to DSChirkov's =<BR>message.=20<BR></FONT></DIV><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3>The faculty's original name is =<BR>precisely=20<BR>"Vostochnyi fakul'tet", "Oriental (lit. "Eastern) Faculty". There is no =<BR>word=20<BR>"African" in it. </FONT></DIV><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3>Though it may sound rude, here is my =<BR>question: is=20<BR>this about "political correctness"? If yes, here are my=20<BR>suggestions to politically correct persons.</FONT></DIV><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3>If "Oriental" is bad, according to =<BR>"Sweden's=20<BR>postcolonial thinking", then "Asian" isn't good either, because it=20<BR>implies the Asian vs. European (or American) controversy :). I =<BR>suggest=20<BR>using capitals only. Department of A(sian) Languages, or Department of =<BR>AA (Asian=20<BR>and African) Languages. However that's bad, too, because =<BR>alphabetically A=20<BR>precedes E(uropean) or IE (Indo-European). That's not politically =<BR>correct.=20<BR></FONT></DIV><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3>Just for reference. Like in China =<BR>later, there had=20<BR>been a name change movement in Russia. In 1930, The Asian Museum =<BR>(Aziatskii=20<BR>Muzei) in St. Petersburg (then - Leningrad) was renamed to The Institute =<BR>for=20<BR>Oriental Studies (Institut Vostokovedeniya). </FONT><FONT face="3DArial=20<br">size=3D2>I am curious to hear would anybody blame Russian =<BR>academicians=20<BR>and Academy bosses for propagation of colonial ideas. </FONT></DIV><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3>Victor =<BR>Atknine.</FONT></DIV><BR><BR>------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C31538.4AE3C9A0--<BR><BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 14:21:47 +0200<BR>To: Koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws<BR>From: Vladimir Tikhonov <VLADIMIR.TIKHONOV@EAST.UIO.NO><BR>Subject: Re: [KS] Does "the Orient" still exist?<BR>Reply-To: Koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws<BR><BR>--=====================_15461472==_.ALT<BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed<BR><BR>Of course, it is plainly obvious - and it was actually understood even <BR>before E.Said's seminal work - that terms like "Orient" or "Occident" had <BR>been imagined, defined, and re-defined with very obvious political agendas <BR>in mind. But, then, "Asia", for example, is an equally imaginary unit, and <BR>in Russian, the word "Asiatic" has been, in times, loaded with even worse <BR>pejorative meanings that rather romantically sounding "oriental" - <BR>remember, for example, still oft-used word "aziatchina" ("Asian [societal <BR>or political forms]" - in many contexts coterminous with "despotism" or <BR>"tyranny"). So, renaming The Faculty of Oriental Studies into, say, Faculty <BR>of Asian and African Research hardly will cut off the links to the <BR>"disgraceful past". Wouldn't it be wiser to respect the legacy of the <BR>"Orientalist" past while simultaneously trying to be conscious about all <BR>kinds of political agendas in our research work and avoid certain traps our <BR>predecessors did not manage to avoid? That remaining doesn't necessarily <BR>correspond to the real change, is shown very well by the example of An'gibu <BR>which is KukchOngwOn now - Hanch'ongnyOn students didn't get any better <BR>treatment under the new signboard.<BR><BR>Vladimir<BR><BR><BR>At 10:46 08.05.2003 +0200, you wrote:<BR><BR>>It need not be emphasized that the Russian tradition has from its outset <BR>>been (a rather splendid) and thus acknowledged part of the European <BR>>academic tradition.<BR>>However, it should be pointed out that in spite of obvious "colonial <BR>>vestiges" there is substantial reason for maintaining Faculties of <BR>>Oriental Studies: For instance, East Asian history of thought most <BR>>obviously cannot be understood without reference to Indian and Central <BR>>Asian developments. Vice versa, traditional Indology is heavly dependent <BR>>on the knowledge of Chinese texts....<BR>>The belated opposition against suspected forms of "Orientalism" might in <BR>>fact mirror a certain preoccupation with political notions of the 20th century.<BR>><BR>>Joerg Plassen<BR>>Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>CHIRKOV D S wrote:<BR>><BR>>>Greetings,<BR>>><BR>>>Tikhonov writes that "The faculty I graduated from in St-Petersbourg, <BR>>>remains "Oriental" - and, I guess, will not change the name."<BR>>><BR>>>What, however, proves the point that "oriental" is an imperialist <BR>>>vestige, is the fact, that in St.-Petersburg, there is not simply an <BR>>>Oriental Studies Faculty, but a Faculty of Oriental and African Studies (!).<BR>>><BR>>>What brings scholars to intellectually group Korean Studies with Persian, <BR>>>African, and Georgian is clear: a Russian attempt to mimic European modes <BR>>>of education.<BR>><BR>>><BR>>>It is ironic to note, that until recently, Europe considered that Russia <BR>>>itself, is, the Orient.<BR>>><BR>>>It is high time that one of the largest countries in Asia - Russia - take <BR>>>steps to integrate itself into the East Asian context. Removing outmoded <BR>>>distinctions based on a colonial understanding of the world is in order.<BR>>><BR>>>Regards,<BR>>>Chirkov.<BR>>>dchirkov (at) fas harvard edu<BR>><BR>><BR>>--<BR>>------------------------------------------------------------<BR>><BR>>Dr. Joerg Plassen, (Jun.Prof. Geistesgeschichte Koreas)<BR>>Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum<BR>>Fakultaet fuer Ostasienwissenschaften<BR>>Sprache und Kultur Koreas<BR>>D-44780 Bochum<BR>>Germany<BR>><BR>>eMail: joerg.plassen@ruhr-uni-bochum.de<BR>>Tel. (off.) : +49-(0)234-32-22919<BR>>Fax (off.) : +49-(0)234-32-14747<BR>>Tel. (priv.) : +49-(0)234-798-1235<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR><BR>Vladimir Tikhonov,<BR>Department of East European and Oriental Studies,<BR>Faculty of Arts,<BR>University of Oslo,<BR>P.b. 1030, Blindern, 0315, Oslo, Norway.<BR>Fax: 47-22854140; Tel: 47-22857118<BR>Personal web page: <BR>http://www.geocities.com/volodyatikhonov/volodyatikhonov.html<BR>Electronic classrooms: East Asian/Korean Society and Politics:<BR>http://www.geocities.com/uioeastasia2002/main.html<BR>East Asian/Korean Religion and Philosophy:<BR>http://www.geocities.com/uioeastasia2003/classroom.html<BR><BR>----------<BR><BR>--=====================_15461472==_.ALT<BR>Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR><BR><BR>Of course, it is plainly obvious - and it was actually understood even<BR>before E.Said's seminal work - that terms like "Orient" or<BR>"Occident" had been imagined, defined, and re-defined with very<BR>obvious political agendas in mind. But, then, "Asia", for<BR>example, is an equally imaginary unit, and in Russian, the word<BR>"Asiatic" has been, in times, loaded with even worse pejorative<BR>meanings that rather romantically sounding "oriental" -<BR>remember, for example, still oft-used word "aziatchina"<BR>("Asian [societal or political forms]" - in many contexts<BR>coterminous with "despotism" or "tyranny"). So,<BR>renaming The Faculty of Oriental Studies into, say, Faculty of Asian and<BR>African Research hardly will cut off the links to the "disgraceful<BR>past". Wouldn't it be wiser to respect the legacy of the<BR>"Orientalist" past while simultaneously trying to be conscious<BR>about all kinds of political agendas in our research work and avoid<BR>certain traps our predecessors did not manage to avoid? That remaining<BR>doesn't necessarily correspond to the real change, is shown very well by<BR>the example of An'gibu which is KukchOngwOn now - Hanch'ongnyOn students<BR>didn't get any better treatment under the new signboard.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Vladimir <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>At 10:46 08.05.2003 +0200, you wrote:<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite type="3Dcite" cite>It need not be emphasized that the<BR>Russian tradition has from its outset been (a rather splendid) and thus<BR>acknowledged part of the European academic tradition.<BR><BR>However, it should be pointed out that in spite of obvious "colonial<BR>vestiges" there is substantial reason for maintaining Faculties of<BR>Oriental Studies: For instance, East Asian history of thought most<BR>obviously cannot be understood without reference to Indian and Central<BR>Asian developments. Vice versa, traditional Indology is heavly<BR>dependent on the knowledge of Chinese texts....<BR><BR>The belated opposition against suspected forms of "Orientalism"<BR>might in fact mirror a certain preoccupation with political notions of<BR>the 20th century.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Joerg Plassen<BR><BR>Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>CHIRKOV D S wrote:<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite type="3Dcite" cite>Greetings,<BR><BR><BR><BR>Tikhonov writes that "The faculty I graduated from in<BR>St-Petersbourg, remains "Oriental" - and, I guess, will not<BR>change the name."<BR><BR><BR><BR>What, however, proves the point that "oriental" is an<BR>imperialist vestige, is the fact, that in St.-Petersburg, there is not<BR>simply an Oriental Studies Faculty, but a Faculty of Oriental and African<BR>Studies (!).<BR><BR><BR><BR>What brings scholars to intellectually group Korean Studies with Persian,<BR>African, and Georgian is clear: a Russian attempt to mimic European modes<BR>of education.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite type="3Dcite" cite><BR><BR>It is ironic to note, that until recently, Europe considered that Russia<BR>itself, is, the Orient.<BR><BR><BR><BR>It is high time that one of the largest countries in Asia - Russia - take<BR>steps to integrate itself into the East Asian context. Removing outmoded<BR>distinctions based on a colonial understanding of the world is in<BR>order.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Chirkov.<BR><BR>dchirkov (at) fas harvard edu<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR><BR>-- <BR><BR>------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR><BR><BR>Dr. Joerg Plassen, (Jun.Prof. Geistesgeschichte Koreas)<BR><BR>Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum<BR><BR>Fakultaet fuer Ostasienwissenschaften<BR><BR>Sprache und Kultur Koreas<BR><BR>D-44780 Bochum<BR><BR>Germany<BR><BR><BR><BR>eMail: joerg.plassen@ruhr-uni-bochum.de<BR><BR>Tel. (off.) : +49-(0)234-32-22919<BR><BR>Fax (off.) : +49-(0)234-32-14747<BR><BR>Tel. (priv.) : +49-(0)234-798-1235<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><X-SIGSEP>
<P></X-SIGSEP><BR>Vladimir Tikhonov,<BR><BR>Department of East European and Oriental Studies,<BR><BR>Faculty of Arts,<BR><BR>University of Oslo,<BR><BR>P.b. 1030, Blindern, 0315, Oslo, Norway.<BR><BR>Fax: 47-22854140; Tel: 47-22857118<BR><BR>Personal web page:<BR><A href='http://au.f129.mail.yahoo.com/ym/3D"http://www.geocities.com/volodyatikhonov/volodyatikhonov.html"=<br'>eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.geocities.com/volodyatikhonov/volodyatikhonov=<BR>.html</A><BR><BR>Electronic classrooms: East Asian/Korean Society and Politics:<BR><BR> &nbs=<BR>p; <BR><A href='http://au.f129.mail.yahoo.com/ym/3D"http://www.geocities.com/uioeastasia2002/main.html"=<br'>eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.geocities.com/uioeastasia2002/main.</A><A=<BR> href=3D"http://www.geocities.com/uioeastasia2002/main.html"=<BR>eudora=3D"autourl">html<BR><BR></A> =<BR> <BR>East Asian/Korean Religion and Philosophy:<BR><BR> &nbs=<BR>p; <BR><A href='http://au.f129.mail.yahoo.com/ym/3D"http://www.geocities.com/uioeastasia2003/classroom.html"=<br'>eudora=3D"autourl">http://</A>www.geocities.com<A=<BR> href=3D"http://www.geocities.com/uioeastasia2003/classroom.html"=<BR>eudora=3D"autourl">/uioeastasia2003/classroom.html</A><BR><BR>
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<BR><BR><BR>--=====================_15461472==_.ALT--<BR><BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 3<BR>Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:25:16 +0000<BR>To: Koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws<BR>From: Keith Howard <KH@SOAS.AC.UK><BR>Subject: Re: [KS] Does "the Orient" still exist?<BR>Reply-To: Koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws<BR><BR>Speaking from my desk in SOAS -- the School of Oriental and African <BR>Studies -- I have some sympathy for the thread of discussion, but <BR>doubt that suitable alternatives can be found. SOAS has been here <BR>before (my memory of what follows, though, may not be completely <BR>accurate). In the early 1990s we had lots of discussions about a name <BR>change, because of the connotations of 'Oriental' and its associated <BR>terms. Should we become 'School of Asian and African Studies' (no, <BR>because the acronym looked bad in English, besides which we would <BR>then limit ourselves to an area called 'Asia' that may or may not <BR>include so many places we consider integral to us, such as the Middle <BR>East and Siberia). Then again, we teach about diasporas, and <BR>certainly include the Caribbean, and we considered joining other area <BR>studies operations in London, including the 'School of Slavonic and <BR>East European Studies' (I might have the name slightly wrong), to <BR>become 'SAS' ('School of Area Studies', or, hopefully capturing the <BR>whole field, 'School of All Studies'). Again, though, the acronym <BR>quickly led to us abandoning that proposal. 'SOS', which would have <BR>kept the Oriental within its 19th century conceptual frame, didn't <BR>get a look in for obvious reasons.<BR><BR>Our solution, for what it is worth, was to remain 'SOAS'. Rarely, <BR>though, do you see us write the name out, so 'Oriental' need not be <BR>mentioned in discussions. The SOAS logo, a green tree of dubious <BR>provenance in an exact colour shade, plus 'SOAS' in gold writing <BR>underneath, now forms our trademark, without any expansion to explain <BR>that this stands for 'School of Oriental and African Studies'. On <BR>balance, we agreed that we're stuck with the name. I know this is a <BR>cop out, but perhaps it no longer matters; in other words, I'm not <BR>sure that terms like "Oriental", "the Orient" and "orientals" are as <BR>controversial as Tobias presumes. Certainly, when Edward Said gave a <BR>lecture here at SOAS back in February, he made no reference to our <BR>unfortunate name.<BR><BR>-- <BR>Dr Keith Howard<BR>Senior Lecturer in Music, SOAS,<BR>Director, AHRB Research Centre for Cross-Cultural Music and Dance<BR>Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square, London WC1H 0XG<BR>Tel: 020 7898 4687; Mobile: 07815 812144; Fax: 020 7898 4519<BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 4<BR>From: <DBAKER@INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA><BR>To: Koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws<BR>Organization: Interchange, UBC<BR>Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 08:34:56 -0700<BR>Subject: [KS] Misunderstanding Hanja<BR>Reply-To: Koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws<BR><BR>I thought one of the linguists on the list would reply to William Brown's comments about the alleged barriers Chinese characters and the Chinese language raise to abstract thinking. However, since no one else has responded, I'll step forward.<BR><BR>He says, "there was no algebra, calculus etc. in China until the modern era." That is incorrect. In fact, for most of the last 2,000 years mathematics in China (and in Korea as well, since Koreans learned their math from China) was more advanced in many areas, including algebra, than the West was. Li Yan and Du Shiran's history of Chinese mathematics, as well as volume 3 of Joseph Needham's Science and Civilization in China, provide plenty of evidence for the high level of algebra in traditional Chinese mathematics. Chinese characters clearly did not present a barrier to abstract thought by mathematicians. <BR><BR>He also says that Chinese is a monosyllabic language,and that the monosyllabic nature of Chinese vocabulary items has hindered abstract thinking not only in China but in Korea and Japan as well. John DeFrancis laid that myth to rest in his chapter on "The monosyllabic myth" in The Chinese Language, Fact and Fantasy. Anybody who has spent much time reading texts written in Hanmun, or even just looking through Chinese language dictionaries, is well aware that there are many multi-syllabic words in Chinese. As for Chinese characters being a poor tool for expressing abstract ideas, just try translating Neo-Confucian concepts such as li and ki into English!<BR><BR>--<BR>Don Baker<BR>Director, Centre for Korean Research<BR>Interim Head, Department of Asian Studies<BR>University of British Columbia<BR>Vancouver, BC V6T 1Z2 CANADA<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 5<BR>From: Jbopfell@aol.com<BR>Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:10:45 EDT<BR>To: koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws<BR>Subject: [KS] Korean women rulers<BR>Reply-To: Koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws<BR><BR><KOREANSTUDIES@KOREAWEB.WS><BR><BR>May 8, 2003<BR>Ladies and Gentlemen:<BR><BR>In preparing our worldwide biographical dictionary of women government <BR>leaders since A. D. 1300, my wife and I need material, and pictures where <BR>possible, of the Korean leaders described in the appended text. This text <BR>presents all the information we have found so far. Your comments on this <BR>text and any additional material or guidance you can offer will be greatly <BR>appreciated. Have we found all the Korean women rulers? Are their dates <BR>correct?<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR><BR>John B. Opfell<BR>1007 Park Circle Drive<BR>Torrance, California 90502<BR>jbopfell@aol.com<BR><BR>Cong-hui ( ), Regent Dowager Queen of Korea, 1468 to 1477, for son <BR>Yejung and grandson Sohgjung.<BR>http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/korea_heads.htm<BR><BR>Mun-jong ( ), Regent Dowager Queen of Korea, 1534-45/52 or <BR>1554-55/62 <BR>http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/korea_heads.htm<BR><BR>In-su ( ), Regent Dowager Queen of Korea, 1567 to 1568<BR>http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/korea_heads.htm<BR><BR>Kim Chong-sun (1745-1805). Regent Dowager Queen of Korea, 1800 to 1805<BR>was regent for her grandson King Sunjo (Yi Kwang, 1800 to 1834). Kim <BR>Chong-sun Wang-hu was Senior Great Queen Regent for her grandson. She was <BR>widow of King Yongjo (Yi Kum, 1724 to 1776). She was the daughter of Kim <BR>Han-ku, Prince Ohung who had two sons and twelve daughters, all by <BR>concubines.<BR>http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/korea_heads.htm<BR>http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Korea_South.htm<BR>http://www.4de.net/royalark/Korea/korea7.htm<BR><BR>Kim Sun-wo Wang-ho (1789-1857), Regent Dowager Queen of Korea, 1834 and 1849 <BR>to 1850, First regent for Hon-jong (1834 to 1849) and then for Ch`ol-jong <BR>(1849 to 1864) who died 1864. <BR>http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/korea_heads.htm<BR>http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Korea_South.htm<BR>http://www.4dw.net/royalark/Korea/korea7.htm<BR><BR>Cho Sin-chong (1809-1890), Regent Dowager Queen of Korea, 1864 to 1866. She <BR>was regent for Ko-jong King and Emperor (1864 to 1907). She may have been <BR>the widow of King Yi Chung (Ch'oljong) (1849 to 1864)<BR>Prince Munjo, the son of King Sunjo (1790-1834), the 23rd king of the Yi <BR>(Choson) dynasty, did not live long enough to reign. Munjo married at age 11 <BR>and died at 21. His father loved him greatly and ordered a kingly tomb built <BR>for him. The prince was given the title of Ik-jong posthumously. His widow <BR>was Queen Jo (Cho Sin-chong) who was buried near him in 1890. Three years <BR>before Ik-jong's death, the queen gave birth to a son who later became King <BR>Honjong, the 24th king. Dowager Jo lived to be 81. She was responsible for <BR>installing Gojong (Kojong) on the throne as the 26th king in 1864. <BR>http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/korea_heads.htm<BR>http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Korea_South.htm<BR>http://www.orientalarchitecture.com/kyonggi/donggureungindex.htm<BR><BR>Wun-song (1851-1895), de facto ruler of Korea, 1864 to 1894, officially named <BR>Min Hun Yo; Myongsong was her posthumous name. During her lifetime she was <BR>generally known as Queen Min. She was the de facto ruler and opposed the <BR>Japanese domination. She was assassinated by Japanese soldiers. Daughter of <BR>Regent Min Ch'irok (1873 to 1894), she married Regent Hung-son Tae-won Gun <BR>(1864 to 1873), and was mother (?) of Emperor Kojong (1897 to 1907). She <BR>lived (1851-95)<BR>http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/korea_heads.htm<BR>http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Korea_South.htm<BR><BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 6<BR>From: "lawrence driscoll" <LAWDRI@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>To: Koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws<BR>Subject: Re: [KS] Does "the Orient" still exist?<BR>Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 16:14:42 +0000<BR>Reply-To: Koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws<BR><BR>In North America, the term "oriental" evolved in the minds of many, as a <BR>word used to describe a type of carpet. No one wants to be identified with <BR>an object made to be tread upon. Quite understandably. Thus the expression <BR>"Asian American" becomes the new and acceptable norm.<BR>Best regards,<BR>Lawrence Driscoll<BR><BR><BR><BR>>From: Frank Hoffmann <HOFFMANN@FAS.HARVARD.EDU><BR>>Reply-To: Koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws<BR>>To: Koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws<BR>>Subject: Re: [KS] Does "the Orient" still exist?<BR>>Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 19:26:34 -0700<BR>><BR>><BR>>>This question seems to be obviously related to "Language Change".<BR>><BR>>More than just language change, I would hope!<BR>><BR>>>I wonder if some of the negative meanings this word carries are also <BR>>>visible in the Old World. My colleage (A. Huwe) confirms that the German <BR>>>equivalent 'orientalisch' does not bear such meanings. The German word is <BR>>>also claimed to be associated with some motives like Arabian Nights.<BR>><BR>>Sure, and the negro is associated with Uncle Tom's Cabin, but somehow we <BR>>don't use it anymore.<BR>><BR>>In the state of Washington "oriental" and "orientalism" is prohibited from <BR>>all official state documents:<BR>>http://www.politicalcircus.com/archive/article_674.shtml<BR>>--->><BR>>Gov. Locke Signs Bill Against Use of Term "Oriental"<BR>>Apr 3, 2002<BR>>By RPG Newswire<BR>>OLYMPIA, WASHINGTON (RPG Newswire) - Washington State Governor Gary Locke <BR>>recently signed into law a bill that prohibits the use of the word <BR>>"Oriental" on all state and local government statutes, codes, rules, <BR>>regulations, and other official documents. The law takes effect on July 1, <BR>>2002.<BR>>(...)<BR>><BR>>--<BR>>______________________________________________________<BR>>Frank Hoffmann<BR>>http://KoreaWeb.ws * Fax: (415) 727-4792<BR><BR>_________________________________________________________________<BR>Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. <BR>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail<BR><BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 7<BR>Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:10:02 -0700 (PDT)<BR>From: "Kenneth G. Corwin" <KENESTACIO@ROCKETMAIL.COM><BR>Subject: Re: [KS] Does "the Orient"...? 1 vote for "Asian Studies"<BR>To: Koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws<BR>Reply-To: Koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws<BR><BR>Hello fellow listmembers. Re: thoughts on what<BR>to name the department which specializes in<BR>studying things and people from Asia:<BR><BR>"Asian Studies" is clear and specific. "Oriental<BR>Studies" is understood based on varying<BR>interpretations of the term "oriental", from<BR>"anything east of the Tigris" to "those people<BR>who look Chinese" to "whoever Queen Victoria said<BR>wasn't occidental".<BR><BR>It may seem simplistic, but imagine, if you will,<BR>a secondary school student deciding what to focus<BR>on in university. "I've always found Cambodia<BR>intriguing," she thinks, "but this school only<BR>has an Oriental Studies program. I have no<BR>interest in Turkey. I guess I'll seek my college<BR>education elsewhere." (An ivory tower type might<BR>smugly say, "What school wants a knucklehead like<BR>that?" To which I would reply, "It is your job<BR>to teach the knuckleheads and correct their<BR>knuckleheaded ways.")<BR><BR>At New York University (10 years ago, anyway),<BR>the opposite story took place. There was an<BR>undergraduate class offered called "Orientalism":<BR>it was a study of the Near East and its<BR>influence on Western culture from the<BR>Enlightenment through World War I. Apparently,<BR>many students were disappointed, having taken the<BR>class because they thought it would be a survey<BR>of Northeast Asian and/or Southeast Asian<BR>countries and cultures.<BR><BR>I would suggest that the use of the term "Asian<BR>Studies" would be preferable as it is both<BR>accurate and widely encompassing. There is<BR>little doubt as to whether one is talking about<BR>something originating in the Asian landmass or<BR>its surrounding archipelagoes when one says<BR>"Asian Studies". <BR><BR>On the other hand, as this ongoing discussion<BR>makes evident, the term "Oriental Studies" is<BR>subjective and therefore open to<BR>misinterpretation, and even insulting in some<BR>countries.<BR><BR>This, of course, reflects my own value system of<BR>preference for clear and accurate descriptions of<BR>university departments.<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR>Ken Corwin<BR>New York City<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>End of Koreanstudies Digest</BLOCKQUOTE><p><br><hr size=1>
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