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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dear all<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am not sure that I have seen all the
correspondence on this issue, so forgive me if I repeat what other’s have
said.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Commemorative plaques marking visits by
the ‘Dear Leader’ are still to be found all over the DPRK, and the
title had not fallen into disuse in 2001-2, although it was beginning to be
replaced by Dear General or just Our General. That said, I think that Ruediger
is right and that Chairman is accurate and neutral. There is an element of
mockery in the way that journalists and even some scholars continue to use the
Dear Leader tag.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I do not recollect anybody translating the
choson rodongtang as anything but Korea Workers’ Party,and this seems to
be the DPRK preference. But since labour is a collective noun for workers, it
could be equally be the Korean Labour Party.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Best wishes<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jim Hoare <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
koreanstudies-bounces@koreaweb.ws [mailto:koreanstudies-bounces@koreaweb.ws] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ruediger_Frank<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 04 October 2006 09:11<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Korean Studies Discussion List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [KS] Dear Leader</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>as Aidan knows from many related debates we had,
the title of Kim Jong-il is one of the issues that bothers me a lot. Actually,
it is not the title itself, but how it is used in Western media. Kim JI has
been the Dear Leader (jinaehaneun jidoja) until his father's death, which is
long enough ago to just forget about that title. Ever since, his functionary
titles (chongbiseo, wiwonjang etc.) aside, he is referred to as Great Leader
(widaehan ryeongdoja) or, less frequently, Dear General (jinaehaneun janggunnim).
We outsiders seem to like the somewhat funny expression "Dear
Leader", so it has survived in our media. So far, so good, but imho
at least academics should use the correct title, no matter what they personally
think about the man. It is certainly problematic that in English, widehan
suryeongnim and widehan ryeongdoja are both translated as Great Leader;
however, I am wondering why there would be too many instances to use these
honorific titles anyway (imagine the NYT or Washington Post using "Great
Leader"). The official address in international protocol is Chairman
(wiwonjang), which is both correct and fairly neutral. As for the Worker's
Party, it should be mentioned that "Labour Party" (instead of
Labourer's Party) would indeed be the correct translation; it is not
rodongjadang, but rodongdang. But I guess that would make our British
colleagues unhappy...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Ruediger Frank<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
PS: For those who might think these are just words, here is what Confucius had
to say (Lun-yu, Chapter 13, Verse 3): <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>"If terminology is not corrected, then what
is said cannot be followed. If what is said cannot be followed, then work
cannot be accomplished. If work cannot be accomplished, then ritual and music
cannot be developed. If ritual and music cannot be developed, then criminal
punishments will not be appropriate. If criminal punishments are not
appropriate, the people cannot make a move. Therefore, the Superior Man needs
to have his terminology applicable to real language, and his speech must accord
with his actions. The speech of the Superior Man cannot be indefinite."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>(</span></font><span class=rvts2><b><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>http://www.human.toyogakuen-u.ac.jp/~acmuller/contao/analects.htm</span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'>)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>am Mittwoch, 04. Oktober 2006 um 03:10 schrieben
Sie:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> Dear Andriy & Michael</span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> "Suryo^ng-nim" is just
"leader". "Dear leader" is a usual English</span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> rendering of
"Chin'aeha'nu^n chidoja" and is a standard epithet for</span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> Kim Cho^ng-il. Kim's
father was known, inter alia, as</span></font></b></span><font color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> "kyo^ng'aeha'nu^n
suryo^ng-nim," another epithet standardly rendered</span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> in English as "Respected
and Beloved Leader." The</span></font></b></span><font color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>>
"Nodongdang"/"Rodongdang") is translated regularly as the
"[Korean]</span></font></b></span><font color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> Workers Party," in English
and is often abbrievated KWP. Kim</span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> Cho^ng-il is the General
Secretary ("Ch'ong Piso^.")</span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> Doc Rock</span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> Andriy Ryzhkov <</span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><a
href="mailto:andy_kim@ukr.net"><font size=1><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>andy_kim@ukr.net</span></font></a></span></font><span
class=rvts8><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> wrote: Dear Michael, </span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> "Dear leader" sounds
like "suryong-nim" in Korean and is still used to address Kim Jeon
Il,</span></font></b></span><font color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> but this term is used mostly in <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">North Korea</st1:place></st1:country-region> (he
may also be called</span></font></b></span><font color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> "Kim Jeong Il rodong-dang
piseo" which means "The secretary of</span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> labour party", which is
more official, but I`m not sure about the</span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> correctness of this term).
In "suryong-nim" "suryong" is</span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> Sino-Korean word which stands
for "the leader" and "~nim" is a</span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> honorific suffix of pure Korean
origin. As for <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">South Korea</st1:place></st1:country-region>,
he is</span></font></b></span><font color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> usually called "Kim Jeong
Il gugpang wiweon-jang" or "chairman of National defence
committee".</span></font></b></span><font color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> I`m not sure whether my reply is
satisfactory...</span></font></b></span><font color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> Best regards, </span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> Ryzhkov Andriy, </span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> PhD candidate</span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> National Taras Shevchenko <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">university</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Kyiv</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>.</span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> </span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> </span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> </span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> </span></font></b></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><span class=rvts6><b><font size=1 color=maroon face=Arial><span
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