<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14pt">Who said "influence?" -- does that word appear in my post? The point is simply to note the Egyptian revolution calls to mind others over the past half century. 'Nuff said. As for "action" and "models," those are words for political scientists, but I never regarded politics as a science anyway. (Plain vanilla history was hard enough.) <br>Re the question about the Egypt-Orascom-NKorea link, here are links to three pieces I did a week or so ago on that very topic. (We may be fairly certain the Orascom connection will survive -- as for military dealings, we'll have to wait and see. Sorry, no "models" to cite.)<br><br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/MB09Dg01.html">http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/MB09Dg01.html</a></span><br><br><span><a target="_blank"
href="http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2011/0207/Why-Kim-Jong-il-wished-Egypt-s-Mubarak-a-Happy-New-Year">http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2011/0207/Why-Kim-Jong-il-wished-Egypt-s-Mubarak-a-Happy-New-Year</a></span><br><br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/south-korea/110207/north-korea-egypt-kim-jong-il-naguib-sawaris">http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/south-korea/110207/north-korea-egypt-kim-jong-il-naguib-sawaris</a></span><br><br>Don Kirk<br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Frank Hoffmann <hoffmann@koreaweb.ws><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Korean Studies Discussion List <koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Sun, February 13, 2011 12:22:42 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [KS] Egypt and Gwangju 1980<br></font><br>
Hello All:<br><br>> Not to mention Indonesia 1966-67 ("Year of Living Dangerously"), Philippines Jan-Feb 1986 ("People Power"), Tiananmen Square Beijing 1989, and, who would forget, Korea June 1987 (Democracy constitution), to name a few I've seen and/or written about.<br><br><br>And those are all *related* in the sense of giving some sort of clear incentive to the next movements elsewhere, to be inflammatory in one way or the other? I would not believe that for a moment. Not that you need to care about my believes. But I just wonder if there is no convincing model out there for what was and is happening to late 20ths and early 21st century countries, those countries that were not too long ago called "third world countries" or periphery countries. This can't simply be some sort of "action" chain that then, were what happens in one country, years later (!), is supposed to have "influenced" movements in another country. Maybe political science can do
better than suggesting such kind of action chains, no? What's "influence" anyway, other than a "wrong-headed grammatical prejudice about who is the agent and who the patient," as a British art historian put it--isn't that also very true for politics and everything else under the sun?<br><br>Is anyone in political science or economics or history aware of a convincing model that explains this?<br><br>Furthermore, I am very suspicious when reading about such lines of action/influence, starting with the Kwangju Unrest in May 1980. Who is the source of such claims? Anyone in those OTHER mentioned countries that are listed as having been "influenced" (Philippines, Burma, China ...)?<br><br>ADD-ON question:<br>Hasn't Egypt money been the very source of pretty much every single business and educational project of the past few years in North Korea (also all important high tech projects)? Anyone has any knowledge or good idea what will now happen to those
projects? And if that will possibly be like a second Fall of the Wall effect for the North Korean state? (This is really just a question, based on speculation. Please don't mistake it as information.)<br><br>Thanks!<br><br>Best<br>Frank<br><br><br><br>-- --------------------------------------<br>Frank Hoffmann<br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://koreaweb.ws">http://koreaweb.ws</a></span><br><br></div></div>
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