<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:14pt">Which reminds me of the old advertising slogan, "Where's the beef," not to mention the once common phrase, "What's your beef?"<br>Anyway, this discussion is getting over my head as not able to conjure "conflict theory" though I did have to read incomprehensible stuff about "game theory" in international relations at U. of Chicago years ago, which, thankfully, I didn't understand then and don't remember now. (But I was a fan of Hans Morgenthau, who basically avoided that.)<br>Ok, by way of closing out this discussion, let me say it's been refreshing to have some debate going on as opposed to the usual "calls for papers" and openings for fellows, faculty positions etc. (Not that that's not important, just not to me.)<br>So, until next time, thanks for your comments, and look forward to more free and
frank (uh oh, pun) expression of views.<br>Don<br><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 14pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Frank Hoffmann <hoffmann@koreaweb.ws><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Korean Studies Discussion List <koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sat, February 19, 2011 12:45:45 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [KS] Egypt and Gwangju 1980<br></font><br>
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<div>Okay now, got your point, but "middle-class white Americans"
was not supposed to be the key term. I acknowledge that we all want to
become middle-class white Americans anyway, no matter if we are black
or red, Russians or Germans or Koreans, or green and from Mars. (And
once we are there, we feel so excited that we die of boredom, sell our
house, divorce our spouse, and so on.) But feel free to replace that
with any other class in any other country.</div>
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<div>How about the key terms "<u>conflict theory</u>" and
maybe "<u>deviance</u>"? Aren't those possibly of some help
in explaining such demonstrations (2000s in Korea and now in Arab
countries)?</div>
<div><span><a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deviance_%28sociology%29">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deviance_%28sociology%29</a></span></div>
<div>QUOTE:</div>
<div>"Norms are rules of conduct,<b> not</b> neutral or
universal, but ever changing; shifting as society shifts; mutable,
emergent, loose, reflective of inherent biases and interests, and
highly selfish and one-sided. They vary from class to class, and in
the generational 'gap.' They are, in other words,<b> contextual</b>.
(...)<u><b> Social norms are different in one culture</b></u><b> as
opposed to another. For example, a deviant act can be committed in one
society or culture that breaks a social norm there, but may be
considered normal for another culture and society.</b>"</div>
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<div>As was already said on this list, "no beef from the U.S.!"
does not necessarily mean "no beef from the U.S." (Either
not only that, or not that at all.) If we were in the U.S., however,
THEN it would very likely mean exactly that. When one explains such
demonstrations to a non-Korean readership then it seems very essential
to address such an issue, other then saying that this is a mass of
manipulated frenzied people, or something of that sort. That is my
point. And to do that one may look for some tools to do so, to explain
what this means, why this is. (Hardly comparable for soccer fan
violence.) </div>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div>Frank</div>
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