<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>I had actually thought that many people were indeed equally worked up about Saudi Arabia, Iran and other examples cited -- thouigh the degree of concern would be hard to measure. Number of newspaper articles? Mentions on TV? Books and scholarly articles? What's the proper mode of measurement? Or are you suggesting we should address those issues before noting the suffering of the mass of North Koreans, the gulag system, puiblic executions, and disease and famine that's lowered the average height to three inches below that of SKoreans? And then there's the nuclear issue -- the need for investing multi-billions into nukes and missiles at the expense of food, medicine and much else that should go to the non-elite outside Pyongyang. Worth noting? Perhaps comparing with Iran? In writing about these problems, should we digress with a bow before the
suffering of other countries and societies? Maybe "equal time"? Why not -- good idea?</DIV>
<DIV>Don Kirk</DIV>
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<DIV>--- On <B>Thu, 1/12/12, Bruce Cumings <I><rufus88@uchicago.edu></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<P class=yiv1534508333MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 24pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN> </SPAN>I wonder if scholars and other folks who follow Saudi Arabia or Iran or Afghanistan or Egypt, wring their hands and get all worked up about thieves getting their hands cut off, or Ayatollahs who declare American “spies” to be “</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #3a3939">corrupter[s] on Earth waging war on God</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">,” or Taliban who cut off the ears and nose off a teenager who would not marry on octogenarian, or Salafis who want women to be blanketed in the streets and otherwise shut up in the home. There is nothing surprising in what the North Koreans are saying about Kim Jong-eun. In fact, so far it is not nearly as obnoxious as the unmitigated blather about Kim Jong Il being a “genius,” getting straight A grades at Kim Il Sung University, being the
pulsating “heart” of the “Mother Party,” etc. that went on for years in the 1980s. Most important, perhaps, is the anachronism of people getting “deeply depressed” about a practice that is now 65 years old, and which mimics in “modern” form the paeans of glorification laid down for a millennium of successive Korean kings. Yes, North Korea should democratize tomorrow morning (and so should Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia). But in the meantime, try not to be so ahistorical. Below is an excerpt from my 1990 book (<I>Origins of the Korean War</I>, vol. 2, Princeton University Press):</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=yiv1534508333MsoNormal style="TEXT-INDENT: 0.5in; LINE-HEIGHT: 24pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In an important interview in 1947 with Kim's first biographer, an unnamed member of his guerrilla unit promoted a Kim Il Sung line that remains the official history today. Kim set the following sort of example:</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=yiv1534508333MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; LINE-HEIGHT: 24pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN class=yiv1534508333Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><SPAN> </SPAN>This sort of person naturally has an extremely strong power of attraction to others.... And it goes without saying that a guerrilla organization with such a person at the center is incomparably strong. The sublime good fortune of our guerrilla detachment was to have at our center the Great Sun. Our general commander, great leader, sagacious teacher, and intimate friend was none other than General Kim Il Sung. Our unit was an unshakeable one, following General Kim and having General Kim as the nucleus. The General's embrace and love are like the Sun's, and when our fighters look up to and receive the General, their trust, self-sacrifice and devotion are such that they will gladly die for him.</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=yiv1534508333MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 24pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The detachment's "philosophy of life" was their willingness to follow Kim's orders even to the death; "its strength is the strength deriving from uniting around Kim Il Sung ... our guerrillas' historical tradition is precisely that of uniting around Kim as our only leader." </SPAN></DIV>
<P class=yiv1534508333MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 24pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN> </SPAN>Kim loved and cared for his followers, and they responded with an iron discipline for which "a spirit of obedience is needed, and what is needed for that is a spirit of respect . . .</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> a</SPAN><SPAN class=yiv1534508333Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; LINE-HEIGHT: normal">bove all, the spiritual foundation [of our discipline] was this spirit of respect. And the greatest respect was for General Kim Il Sung. Our discipline grew and became strong amid respect and obedience for him.</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=yiv1534508333MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 24pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This officer then went on to recommend the guerrilla tradition as a good principle for party and mass organizations; he might have added that it would be the principle for the organization of the entire North Korean state. ["General Kim Il Sung is the Leader of the Korean people," <U>Podo</U>, no.3 (August 1947), pp. 18-21.]</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=yiv1534508333MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 24pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN> </SPAN>The language used by this man is fascinating. It is all moral<SPAN> </SPAN>language, bathing Kim in a hundred virtues, almost all of which are<SPAN> </SPAN>Confucian virtues--benevolence, love, trust, obedience, respect, reciprocity between leader and led. It is a language of circles: the phrase "uniting around Kim" uses a term, <I>chuwi</I>, that literally means circumference; in a neighborhood it means living around a center or <I>chungsim</I>, which literally means a "central heart." Synonyms for this, widely used in the North Korean literature, are "core" and "nucleus." The Party center was also a euphemism for Kim and his closest allies, just as it became the euphemism for Kim's son in the 1970s when the succession was being arranged.</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=yiv1534508333MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 24pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN> </SPAN>This is also a language with religious resonance, both Shamanist and Christian. The term that the North Koreans translate as "to hold [Kim] in esteem," <I>urôrô patta</I>, literally means "to look up to and receive," and is used religiously for receiving Christ. It is also used in the sense of esteeming one's father. The term "Great Sun" resonates with Western usages placing a king in communion with the Sun [as in “Sun King”], or by extension with God, and with Japanese usages regarding the Emperor. To my knowledge, the first statue of Kim erected in the North was unveiled on Christmas Day 1949, something that suggests a conscious attempt to present him as a secular Christ, or Christ-substitute. [See for example E.M.W. Tillyard, <U>The Elizabethan World Picture </U>(New York: Vintage Books, 1942). On the statue, set up in Hûngnam, see
<U>Sun'gan t'ongshin</U>, no. 3 (46) (January 1950), daily record for December l949.]</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=yiv1534508333MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 24pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN> </SPAN>The style is also paternal, with Kim depicted as the benevolent father of the nation, and the nation compared to one large family. The strongest of emotional bonds in Korea is that of filial piety, and Kim and his allies sought to weld the nation together by drawing on vast reservoirs of duty and obligation toward one's parents, seeking to have them transferred to the state through Kim's auspices. </SPAN></DIV>
<P class=yiv1534508333MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 24pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN> </SPAN>The process of burnishing Kim's image and uniting around him also suggests an element of chivalry, of men and women bound together by oaths of fealty, duty, obligation, and possessing amongst them uncommon virtues of courage, daring and sacrifice. It is the language of feudal warlords, and indeed Kim in the early period always used the title <I>changgun</I>, translated as "General," but using the same characters as the Japanese term <I>shogun</I>.[Kim Jong Il was also called <I>changgun</I>, a usage especially noticeable after he died.]</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=yiv1534508333MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 24pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN> </SPAN>The dynamic of this politics is centrifugal-centripetal, concentric circles radiating outward from the core, embracing first the Manchurian guerrillas and their families, then the Party hierarchy, then the Army, then the people; it then falls back upon itself as each outer circle returns trust and loyalty to the center. Somewhere in between there arose a plodding, dense bureaucracy that does the day-to-day administration. But at the commanding heights this was a charismatic politics, its legitimacy resting in an overblown history and a trumpeted mythology about men with super-human qualities.<SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<P class=yiv1534508333MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 24pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN> </SPAN>It is so characteristic of the North Koreans, then and now, that they simultaneously paper the walls with hagiography and mythology about Kim and his guerrillas, while caring little to provide any evidence that would convince an independent observer. This speaks to another characteristic of the Kim leadership, a profound solipsism, indeed a <I>national solipsism </I>that is also connected to the theme of concentric circles.<SPAN> </SPAN>Kim's legend and mandate would seem to stop at the national border; non-Koreans cannot be expected to appreciate its virtues. Even pre-war Japan did not try to sell <I>kokutai</I> to the <I>gaijin </I>(foreigners). But the circles keep on extending, to encompass foreigners and get them to see the virtues so obvious to North Koreans. This is far more pronounced today, when the regime organizes
and funds "Juche study groups" all over the world, treating group leaders like heads of state, but it existed in the 1940s in a solipsism which seemed to think all eyes were on Korea as the Kim leadership blazed a trail for post-colonial revolution, providing a model to emulate. It is a Korean microcosm of the old Chinese world order, radiating outward from the Middle Kingdom or central source. </SPAN></DIV>
<P class=yiv1534508333MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 24pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN> </SPAN>Another interesting element in the 1947 interview is implicit, the suggestion that Kim Il Sung is being put forward as "Kim Il Sung," a figure larger than life, as an example for all to emulate. If all are to emulate him, he cannot put his pants on one leg at a time like anyone else, he has to be perfect. But in the conjuring of that perfection, the real man Kim Il Sung, <U>nee</U> Kim Sông-ju, runs the risk of being himself a symbol of power rather than holding it, being put forward by shadowy figures as the source of everyone's legitimacy. There is a hint of an Emperor system here, a figure being created who would have to be mysterious and remote [something Kim Jong Il practiced much more than his father, who was always out pressing the flesh].</SPAN></DIV>
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digest..."<BR><BR><BR><<------------ KoreanStudies mailing list DIGEST ------------>><BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR> 1. KCTV's hour-long paean to Kim Jong-un yesterday can now be<BR> seen in full by all (Michael Rank)<BR> 2. Re: KCTV's hour-long paean to Kim Jong-un yesterday can now<BR> be<SPAN class=yiv1534508333Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"> </SPAN>seen in full by all (????)<BR> 3. Re: KCTV's hour-long paean to Kim Jong-un yesterday can now<BR> be seen in full by all (Charles La Shure)<BR> 4. Re: KCTV's hour-long paean to Kim Jong-un yesterday can now<BR> be<SPAN class=yiv1534508333Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"> </SPAN>seen in f... (Afostercarter@aol.com)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message:
1<BR>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:11:39 +0000<BR>From: Michael Rank <rank@mailbox.co.uk><BR>To: koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws<BR>Subject: [KS] KCTV's hour-long paean to Kim Jong-un yesterday can now<BR><SPAN class=yiv1534508333Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN>be<SPAN class=yiv1534508333Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"> </SPAN>seen in full by all<BR>Message-ID: <C64812CD-FA11-49DF-BD27-A2DA506A788D@mailbox.co.uk><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes<BR><BR>I have heroically viewed the entire thing, and found it a deeply <BR>depressing experience. One of the bizarre things about it is that it <BR>is in effect silent, and we never hear the voices of the three <BR>geniuses. If they are so brilliant why won't the govt let the people <BR>to hear them impart their wisdom at first hand? I believe KJI's voice <BR>has only been heard a couple of times, once during the
Albright visit <BR>and once on an official tape, can anyone confirm? But coming back to <BR>the above paean I noticed that it includes a genuine (insofar as <BR>anything is genuine in DPRK) KJE (or KJU if you insist) quote, at <BR>22.04, his very first I think. Could anyone be so kind as to translate <BR>his words of wisdom? For what it's worth I also spotted Supreme <BR>People's Assembly head Choe Thae Bok at 33.51, he has visited UK twice.<BR><BR>Best wishes,<BR><BR>Michael Rank<BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:04:09 +0900<BR>From: ???? <joe.litt83@gmail.com><BR>To: Korean Studies Discussion List <koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws><BR>Subject: Re: [KS] KCTV's hour-long paean to Kim Jong-un yesterday can<BR><SPAN class=yiv1534508333Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN>now be<SPAN class=yiv1534508333Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre">
</SPAN>seen in full by all<BR>Message-ID: <7ABE09BE-48BC-4A81-AB5D-C82B2EE75D68@gmail.com><BR>Content-Type: text/plain;<SPAN class=yiv1534508333Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"> </SPAN>charset=us-ascii<BR><BR>Michael,<BR><BR>KJI's voice was also recorded during both inter-Korean summits. The last recording was when he met Dmitry Medvedev in August of last year. I'm sure there a couple of other times I'm missing. <BR><BR>Here's the final recording:<BR><BR>http://www.reuters.com/video/2011/08/24/kim-jong-il-medvedev-meet-in-russia?&videoId=218631784<BR><BR>Best,<BR>Joe<BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone<BR><BR>On 2012. 1. 12., at 4:11, Michael Rank <rank@mailbox.co.uk> wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">I have heroically viewed the entire thing, and found it a deeply depressing experience. One of the bizarre things about it is that it is in effect silent, and we never hear the voices of the three geniuses. If they are so brilliant why won't the govt let the people to hear them impart their wisdom at first hand? I believe KJI's voice has only been heard a couple of times, once during the Albright visit and once on an official tape, can anyone confirm? But coming back to the above paean I noticed that it includes a genuine (insofar as anything is genuine in DPRK) KJE (or KJU if you insist) quote, at 22.04, his very first I think. Could anyone be so kind as to translate his words of wisdom? For what it's worth I also spotted Supreme People's Assembly head Choe Thae Bok at 33.51, he has visited UK twice.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 3<BR>Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 21:29:15 +0900<BR>From: Charles La Shure <clashure@gmail.com><BR>To: Korean Studies Discussion List <koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws><BR>Subject: Re: [KS] KCTV's hour-long paean to Kim Jong-un yesterday can<BR><SPAN class=yiv1534508333Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN>now be seen in full by all<BR>Message-ID:<BR><SPAN class=yiv1534508333Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN><CANguMmw5vAMvR_M1ZjmdtPgQsC2yr9RT42CF1r8eQ83WNnOaNw@mail.gmail.com><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR>Alas, the words of wisdom are not as profound as one might hope. I humbly<BR>offer a quick and rough translation:<BR><BR>"I am accustomed to working through the night and so am not bothered by it.<BR>The most joyous and happiest moments for me are when I can bring joy to the<BR>comrade supreme
commander. Thus, though I have stayed up several nights, I<BR>have worked without knowing weariness. Even when I work through several<BR>nights, once I have brought joy to the comrade supreme commander, the<BR>weariness vanishes and a new strength courses through my whole body. This<BR>must be what revolutionaries live for."<BR><BR>-C. La Shure<BR><BR>On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 4:11 AM, Michael Rank <rank@mailbox.co.uk> wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">I have heroically viewed the entire thing, and found it a deeply<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">depressing experience. One of the bizarre things about it is that it is in<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">effect silent, and we never hear the voices of the three geniuses. If they<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">are so brilliant why won't the govt let the people to hear them impart<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">their wisdom at first hand? I believe KJI's voice has only been heard a<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">couple of times, once during the Albright visit and once on an official<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">it includes a genuine (insofar as anything is genuine in DPRK) KJE (or KJU<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">if you insist) quote, at 22.04, his very first I think. Could anyone be so<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">visited UK twice.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Best wishes,<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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programme:<BR>_http://sinonk.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/songun-tangun-son-of-paektu-etc-kim-<BR>jong-un-documentary/_ <BR>(http://sinonk.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/songun-tangun-son-of-paektu-etc-kim-jong-un-documentary/) <BR><BR>I've seen posts on sayings by KJU, but can't immediately find them.<BR><BR>Cheers<BR>Aidan FC<BR><BR><BR>Aidan Foster-Carter <BR>Honorary Senior Research Fellow in Sociology & Modern Korea, Leeds <BR>University, UK <BR>E: _afostercarter@aol.com_ (mailto:afostercarter@aol.com) <BR>_afostercarter@yahoo.com_ (mailto:afostercarter@yahoo.com) W: _www.aidanfc.net_ <BR>(http://www.aidanfc.net/) <BR>W in Korea: <BR>_http://web.archive.org/web/20090202080126/http://aidanfc.net/index.html_ <BR>(http://web.archive.org/web/20090202080126/http:/aidanfc.net/index.html) <BR>Address/mail: Flat 1, 40 Magdalen Road,
Exeter, Devon, EX2 4TE, <BR>England, UK <BR>T: (+44, no 0) 07970 741307 (mobile); 01392 257753 (home) <BR>Skype: Aidan.Foster.Carter Twitter: @fcaidan <BR>_____________ <BR><BR>In a message dated 1/12/2012 09:41:28 GMT Standard Time, rank@mailbox.co.uk <BR>writes:<BR><BR>I have heroically viewed the entire thing, and found it a deeply <BR>depressing experience. One of the bizarre things about it is that it <BR>is in effect silent, and we never hear the voices of the three <BR>geniuses. If they are so brilliant why won't the govt let the people <BR>to hear them impart their wisdom at first hand? I believe KJI's voice
<BR>has only been heard a couple of times, once during the Albright visit <BR>and once on an official tape, can anyone confirm? But coming back to <BR>the above paean I noticed that it includes a genuine (insofar as <BR>anything is genuine in DPRK) KJE (or KJU if you insist) quote, at <BR>22.04, his very first I think. Could anyone be so kind as to translate <BR>his words of wisdom? For what it's worth I also spotted Supreme <BR>People's Assembly head Choe Thae Bok at 33.51, he has visited UK twice.<BR><BR>Best wishes,<BR><BR>Michael Rank<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>URL: <http://koreaweb.ws/pipermail/koreanstudies_koreaweb.ws/attachments/20120112/f51de89d/attachment-0001.html><BR><BR>End of Koreanstudies Digest, Vol 103, Issue
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