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font-family:Gulim;mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>, that we visited once together, is another
museum, located on the north-west of Mansudae, close to Potong stream.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Gulim;mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Revolution</span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;mso-ascii-font-family:Gulim;mso-fareast-font-family:Gulim;color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>”</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=굴림><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gulim;mso-hansi-font-family:
Arial;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> in DPRK</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;mso-ascii-font-family:Gulim;mso-fareast-font-family:Gulim;
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font-family:Gulim;mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>s rhetoric usually refers to the resistance
era against </span></font><st1:country-region><st1:place><font size=2
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font-family:Gulim;mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gulim;mso-hansi-font-family:
Arial;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Liberation</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;mso-ascii-font-family:Gulim;mso-fareast-font-family:Gulim;
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font-family:Gulim;mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> (war) to the Korean <span class=GramE>war</span>
against </span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
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font-family:Gulim;mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>imperialist</span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;mso-ascii-font-family:Gulim;mso-fareast-font-family:Gulim;color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>”</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=굴림><span
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Arial;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> forces
(US, </span></font><st1:country-region><st1:place><font size=2 color=navy
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Gulim;mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:navy;
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size=2 color=navy face=굴림><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gulim;mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>, SK) </span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;mso-ascii-font-family:Gulim;mso-fareast-font-family:Gulim;color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>–</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=굴림><span
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Arial;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> at least
from the 1970</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> koreanstudies-bounces@koreaweb.ws
[mailto:koreanstudies-bounces@koreaweb.ws] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Haufler, Marsha Smith<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 25, 2012
1:55 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Ruediger Frank; Korean Studies
DiscussionList<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [KS] Answers about
Pyongyang</span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt;mso-para-margin-left:2.95gd'><font
size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Renovation already? That is interesting.
Wonder who took exception to what.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt;mso-para-margin-left:2.95gd'><font
size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:black'>As for the Kim Il Sung statue, I think it was
simply updated to match the official posthumous portrait and the spectacles,
smile, and Western suit carry all the same connotations—the Eternal
President as cosmopolitan, modern, caring grandfather, etc. I would love to
know how the people of the DPRK really feel about this alternation of their
landscape. Perhaps, as my guide suggested last March, they are happy to have a
central place to venerate Kim Jong Il. But I bet, although it would be heresy
for anyone there to admit it, those who actually look at the statue miss the
old image of the Great Leader as a great leader-- a vigorous younger man with a
Mao suit and a vision.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt;mso-para-margin-left:2.95gd'><font
size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Thanks for the update.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Reply-To: </span></b>Ruediger Frank <<a
href="mailto:ruediger.frank@univie.ac.at">ruediger.frank@univie.ac.at</a>>,
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Date: </span></b>Monday, September 24, 2012
10:40 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To: </span></b>Korean Studies Discussion List
<<a href="mailto:koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws">koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws</a>><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject: </span></b>Re: [KS] Answers about
Pyongyang<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:black'>The two statues on Mansudae Hill have been covered in white
cloth on Sept. 11th and are undergoing "renovation". This is a bit
unusual as the new statues were only unveiled in April. In addition to the
spectacles and the smile, the new statue of the Eternal President also got a
Western suit. We can speculate forever what exactly that means, but I am pretty
sure it means something. <br>
Best,<br>
Rudiger Frank<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>If the Revolution Museum is up
there on Mansudae, I missed it. Besides touring the History Museum on KIS
Square, I visited (for the third or fourth time), the Patriotic Victorious
Liberation Struggle Museum (I'm pretty sure that's not a totally accurate rendition
of the name, but you get the idea). It was not, however, on Mansudae or KIS
Square. Somewhere else.. Incidentally, it's passe to talk about the KIS
statue on Mansudae. That statue is gone, no one knows where. It's been
replaced by a somewhat smaller KIS statue showing the Great Leader
bespectacled, with a slightly pleasant smile, next to a statue of equal
height of KJI. KJI was considerably shorter than his father, but the
statues don't let on.<br>
Don Kirk<br>
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--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Mon, 9/24/12, BJ <i><span
style='font-style:italic'><<a href="mailto:joinau@chollian.net">joinau@chollian.net</a>></span></i></span></b> wrote:<br>
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From: BJ <<a href="mailto:joinau@chollian.net">joinau@chollian.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [KS] Answers about Pyongyang<br>
To: "'Korean Studies Discussion List'" <<a
href="mailto:koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws">koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws</a>><br>
Date: Monday, September 24, 2012, 9:49 AM</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dear Don,<br>
There might be a misunderstanding, indeed, because it is quite complicated !<br>
If I understood it correctly, and if information found and provided are right,
there are two different museums here:</span></font><font color=black
face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial;color:black'> <br>
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size=1 color=navy><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Korean
(Central) History Museum: located originally on Moran Hill, close to Ulmil
Pavilion, under the name of State Museum of History, it was moved in 1977 to
its present location on KIS Square (visited and mentioned below by Don).</span></font><font
color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial;color:black'> <br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The National
Central Museum of the Liberation Struggle was set up on August 1, 1948. It was
renamed the Korean Revolution Museum in January 1961 and placed on Kim Il Sung
Square (according to information provided by Chris Springer. It is not sure
where it was located before that). It was moved to its present location on
Mansudae behind KIS statue in 1972.</span></font><font color=black face=Arial><span
lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial;color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The Korean History Museum
was said to be closed for renovation the two times I visited (2008 and 2010).
But as noted, of course, it doesn’t mean it was really closed. A
contrario, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t: I was told Korean Art Gallery
was closed for renovation at the same time, and apparently it was, since it
reopened in 2010. A lot of cultural sites have undergone full renovation in the
2000’s and I was interested in listing them: Moranbong Theatre,
Taedongmun Cinema, Pyongyang Grand Theatre, etc. It is quite interesting to
follow the priorities set by the regime for Pyongyang development and
refurbishment.</span></font><font color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:koreanstudies-bounces@koreaweb.ws">koreanstudies-bounces@koreaweb.ws</a>
[<a href="mailto:koreanstudies-bounces@koreaweb.ws">mailto:koreanstudies-bounces@koreaweb.ws</a>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>don kirk<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 24,
2012 3:29 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Korean Studies Discussion
List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [KS] Answers
about Pyongyang</span></font><font color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>There may be some misunderstanding here. The Korean
History Museum is now on Kim Il Sung Square, filling almost one entire side.
I've been told on at least two visits that's what it is and was taken on a
walk-through in July. It does not cover the Korean War and is not much about
revolutionary struggle. Exhibits begin with archeological remains, birth of
Tangun (of course!) and move through the millennia. At least that's what I
saw when I visited for an hour or so, with minder, in July. I would have
liked to have stayed longer, but that's how guided tours are. (Speaking of
western-style resfaurants, a coffee shop on the corner almost next to the
museum, nearest the river, offers Austrian -- or anyway European -- coffee
and cake at Seoul-coffee-shop prices.)<br>
Don Kirk<br>
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--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sun, 9/23/12, BJ <i><span
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From: BJ <<a href="mailto:joinau@chollian.net">joinau@chollian.net</a>><br>
Subject: [KS] Answers about Pyongyang<br>
To: "'Korean Studies Discussion List'" <<a
href="mailto:koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws">koreanstudies@koreaweb.ws</a>><br>
Date: Sunday, September 23, 2012, 12:22 PM <br>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US>Dear </span><font face=Arial><span
lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'>List members,<br>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US> <br>
I’d like once again to thank you all for your many answers to my
questions about </span><font face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:Arial'>Pyongyang.<br>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US>Since they came in many posts, sometimes in
private messages and could be of interest for some members, I have listed
them below.<br>
Please note that these informations are mostly indicative and are often
hypothetical. Just pieces of a puzzle…<br>
</span><font size=2><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt'>Questions
about </span></font><font size=4 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Pyongyang</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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1.</span></font><font size=1><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></font><font face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:Arial'>Korean Central History Museum : it used to be on
Moran Hill before 1977 (it is said to have opened there in 1945). Where was
it located ?</span></font><font face=Wingdings><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:Wingdings;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial'>è</span></font><font
face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'> Called
“State Museum of History”, it was located on Moral Hill close to
Ulmil Pavillion up to 1977.<br>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US>2.</span><font size=1><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font
face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'>It was closed for
renovation until recently. Has it reopened? </span></font><font
face=Wingdings><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Wingdings;mso-bidi-font-family:
Arial'>è</span></font><font face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:
Arial'> Yes – date of reopening unknown (was it really closed for
renovation? That’s what I had been told in 2009).<br>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US>3.</span><font size=1><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font
face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'>Korean Revolution
Museum : before being behind the Grand Monument of Mansudae (1972), where was
it located? It was supposed to be founded in 1948 under the name of Central
State Museum of the Liberation Fight (I translate from French). </span></font><font
face=Wingdings><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Wingdings;mso-bidi-font-family:
Arial'>è</span></font><font face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:
Arial'> The National Central Museum of the Liberation Struggle was set
up on August 1, 1948. It was renamed the Korean Revolution Museum in January
1961 and placed on Kim Il Sung Square. (It is not sure where it was located
before that).<br>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US>4.</span><font size=1><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font
face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'>The Korea Art Gallery
had been closed for “renovations” for years. When has it
reopened? (If it has). Was it opened first in 1954 or 1960? </span></font><font
face=Wingdings><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Wingdings;mso-bidi-font-family:
Arial'>è</span></font><font face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:
Arial'> It reopened after renovations in 2010.<br>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US>5.</span><font size=1><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font
face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'>Victorious Fatherland
Liberation War Museum : it is said to have opened initially in August 1953,
but before being rebuilt in its actual location in 1974, where was it located? </span></font><font
face=Wingdings><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Wingdings;mso-bidi-font-family:
Arial'>è</span></font><font face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:
Arial'> It was located on Haebangsan, in what is now the Party area.<br>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US>6.</span><font size=1><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font
face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'>Chris Springer says
that the Three-Revolutions Exhibition opened in 1993 (I have 1992 in another
source…), on the site of a former “exhibition”. Does
anybody know what kind of exhibition it was ?</span></font><font
face=Wingdings><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Wingdings;mso-bidi-font-family:
Arial'>è</span></font><font face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:
Arial'> The former exhibition was the "Exhibition of Achievements
of Socialist Construction."<br>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US>7.</span><font size=1><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font
face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'>Was the USS Pueblo
moved from Wonsan to Pyongyang in 1999? (I found different dates). </span></font><font
face=Wingdings><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Wingdings;mso-bidi-font-family:
Arial'>è</span></font><font face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:
Arial'> Moved from Wonsan in 1999, moved back temporarily in 2002, and
then back again to Pyongyang.<br>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US>8.</span><font size=1><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font
face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'>Does anybody know where
are located the fast food restaurant, the new Italian restaurant and the
micro-brewery? </span></font><font face=Wingdings><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:Wingdings;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial'>è</span></font><font
face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'>There are two
"fast food" restaurants -- though there are five known
establishments in Pyongyang in which you can get a hamburger (if you count
Air Koryo). There are also two Italian restaurants. There at least 5
different beer breweries. <br>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US>9.</span><font size=1><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font
face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'>Does anybody know the
date of construction of Mansudae Art Studio? And why it was named this way
despite the fact that it is not in Mansudae area? </span></font><font
face=Wingdings><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Wingdings;mso-bidi-font-family:
Arial'>è</span></font><font face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:
Arial'> Created in 1959; location unknown. “Their signature
project is the Mansudae Grand Monument, the huge statue of Kim Il Sung”
(C. Springer) : the reason for the name? (although the Grand Monument was
opened in 1972…)<br>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US>10.</span><font size=1><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font face=Arial><span
lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'>When was the Kim Il Sung Stadium first
built (before the extensions and renovations of the 1970’s and
1980’s, when it was still called the Moranbong Stadium)? </span></font><font
face=Wingdings><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Wingdings;mso-bidi-font-family:
Arial'>è</span></font><font face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:
Arial'> rebuilt in 1954, on a previous sports field.<br>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US>11.</span><font size=1><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font face=Arial><span
lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'>From when the site of Anhak palace in
Taesong area has been “discovered” and opened to the
public? </span></font><font face=Wingdings><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:Wingdings;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial'>è</span></font><font
face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'> excavations took
place under KIS. Apparently not opened to the public.<br>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US>12.</span><font size=1><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font face=Arial><span
lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'>When did the so-called mausoleum or tomb
of Tangun open to the public: 1993 or 1994? </span></font><font
face=Wingdings><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Wingdings;mso-bidi-font-family:
Arial'>è</span></font><font face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:
Arial'> 11th October 1994.<br>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US> <br>
<u>New reference:<br>
</u>Roger Mateos Miret with Jelena Prokopljevic: Corea del Norte, Utopía de
hormigón. Arquitectura y urbanismo al servicio de una ideología.Brenes, Spain
2012 (Munoz Moya Editores). (thanks to Prof. Dege).<br>
</span><font size=2><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt'>For
information, since I didn’t explain at first the reason of my
questions:<br>
I have just worked on a diachronic reading of the imaginary of Pyongyang's
urban planning and the way the ideology and the regime’s mythology are
staged in the city itself (what I call a “topo-mythanalysis“). It
was the first part of a research about the regimes of visibility in cities
(comparison Pyongyang-Seoul). The article about the topo-mythanalysis has
been written and translated, it will be presented at the World Conference of
Korean Studies in Seoul this week. My approach follows a cultural
anthropology methodology (Durand). The article has been published in French
in the journal <i><span style='font-style:italic'>Croisements</span></i> (April
2012) and will hopefully be published next year in English.<br>
</span></font><font size=2><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>Yours,<br>
<br>
</span></font><font face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:
Arial'> <br>
</span></font><font color=navy><span lang=EN-US style='color:navy'>Benjamin
JOINAU<br>
<i><span style='font-style:italic'>Yongsan-gu Itaewon-dong 119-28<br>
140-200 </span></i></span></font><i><font color=navy face=Arial><span
lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-style:italic'>Seoul,
South Korea<br>
</span></font></i><font color=navy><span lang=EN-US style='color:navy'>Tel/fax
: (822) 795-2465<br>
Cell phone : (82) 10-8905-0696<br>
E-mail : <a href="mailto:joinau@chollian.net">joinau@chollian.net</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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