<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Saa. That proves it! But then if we go to <take> as <dake> meaning 'only,' which would be <take> in word-initial position, then equal linguistic claim is established, Korean <i>and </i>Japanese.<div><br></div><div>So back to Square One, namely--so to speak-- that lonely, non-bamboo-istic set of rocks out there in the waters.</div><div><br></div><div>DM<br><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 11, 2012, at 10:24 AM, King, Ross wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>It is indeed a 'Lone Island', but etymologically the "tok" is a native Korean dialect version of the word for 'rock' (tol)--the "tok" shape shows up in various Korean dialects. <br>So originally this was almost certainly just "toksŏm" "Rock Island" (which it also is), subsequently hanja-ified by translating sŏm to Sino-Korean TO and leaving "tok" as a phonogram with a hanja with suitable semantics.<br><br>Ross King<br><br>While they are at it, let's hope somebody thinks to point out the difference in the names for the place. Korean Tokdo means "Lone Island," which it is. Takeshima, which means "bamboo Island," and which it is not, would suggest no one had been there from Japan, or knew what it looked like.<br><br> David McCann<br><br>Sent from my iPad<br><br>On Oct 10, 2012, at 8:42 PM, "<a href="mailto:gkl1@columbia.edu">gkl1@columbia.edu</a>" <<a href="mailto:gkl1@columbia.edu">gkl1@columbia.edu</a>> wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Thanks to Yoo Kwang-On, we get frequent updates on the Tokto<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">situation. Seoul keeps hitting the issue, and in P'yongyang they've<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">also been pushing in their own famous style. A week or so ago the NY<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Times (finally!) had a piece on the island squabble, but it wasn't<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">anywhere near as good as the one the Washington Post put out a day or<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">two ago.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Now wouldn't it be great for morale on both sides of the DMZ and/or<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the East China Sea and for all us in the Korean and China fields if<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">they joined in giving a unified, world-wide plea on the issue? The<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">basic facts are held in common.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Today, the Republic of China (Taiwan) bought a full page add in the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">New York Times on the Diaoyu problem, laying out a well produced and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">documented statement with an excellent, convincing mix of historical<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and legal facts. On Sept. 28, the PRC had bought a TWO-page add in the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Times with pretty much the same facts but without the sophistication<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and clarity of the Taiwan presentation, which did not mention that<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">both Taiwan and the PRC claimed the island. It's great, because<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">whatever happens in the future between the two Chinese republics, the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Daiyu islands will end up in China.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Now, if the ROK and the DPRK could put together on Tokto a cogent<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">statement with the presentational excellence of the Taiwan display,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and buy a Times page or two, wouldn't that wake up a lot of folks in<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the Korean peninsula and around the world! The fact is, the USA was<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">involved in both the Diaoyutai and Tokto issues after the Pacific War<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and are not without some responsibility for the tragic mis-allocation<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">of these islands. Americans in general should be made more aware of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the facts. And yet, the US government keeps hiding behind a so-called<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">neutral stance.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Gari Ledyard<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>