<div dir="ltr"><div>I wanted to point out that many Koreans do not act what they boast to claim to be. If they were indeed nationalistic, why would they spell their names with Western ones (Lee, Park, etc.), thereby obliterating their ethnic identity when addressing foreigners (while MR, RR, and other systems are available)? </div>
<div> </div><div>The standard romanization should at least have two ingredients--consistency and universality.</div><div> </div><div>I confess at the same time that all my siblings living abroad spell their names differently, each with own romanization. It would be tough to convince in court, if we need to, that we share the same parentage.</div>
<div> </div><div>YOng-ho Ch'oe</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 11:21 PM, Sangoak Lee <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sangoak2@gmail.com" target="_blank">sangoak2@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>1) To Prof. Muller,</div><div>The elder brother of Shim Jae-ryong; Shim Jae-gi, who was the director of the National Institute of the Korean Language, must encourage you to support the new system. It should be late 1999 when the outline of RR 2000 was almost formulated. </div>
<div>I will subscribe your dictionary as you introduced.</div><div> </div><div>2) To Prof. Choe,</div><div>You wrote "I have been told repeatedly that the Koreans, if nothing else, are intensely nationalistic. If so, why in the world so many Yi (or I), Pak (or Bag), and others are so eager to identify themselves with Western names, such as Lee, Park, and others."<br>
</div><div>According to my [Sang-Oak Lee's] extensive inspection to the historical documents and books in 2011,</div><div class="gmail_extra">Lee and Park started to appear only after the 1945/Liberation probably by the influence of GI English.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Before the Liberation Ni, Ye, Yi & Pak were detected. <br>Is it intensely nationalistic????? </div><div class="gmail_extra">However, Rhee was used by the nationalistic President as you said.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"> </div><div class="gmail_extra">Sang-Oak Lee</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br> </div><div class="gmail_quote">2013/7/17 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:koreanstudies-request@koreanstudies.com" target="_blank">koreanstudies-request@koreanstudies.com</a>></span><br>
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:35:58 +0900<br>
From: Charles Muller <<a href="mailto:acmuller@l.u-tokyo.ac.jp" target="_blank">acmuller@l.u-tokyo.ac.jp</a>><br>
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Dear Sang-Oak,<br>
<br>
> [Chuck] So I've been writing in RR since 1998 or so, and now my<br>
> dictionaries contain almost 100,000 entries in<br>
> total, where RR is used for the Korean.------ [Sang-Oak] The six-member<br>
> committee met about 10 times only in 1999 and announced its result in 2000.<br>
> I don't know who you met around that time and in 1998 the outline of<br>
> 2000 RR was not formulated.<br>
<br>
I could be off by a year. The main formal event I have in mind was a<br>
Japan-Korean friendship conference held at Shimane prefectural<br>
university, which I though was in 1998, but perhaps it was later than<br>
that. Around that time, a few members of the committee, most of whose<br>
names I can't remember (but one was the younger brother of Shim<br>
Jae-ryong; I think his name is Shim Jae-gi, or something like that)<br>
came, and in the discussions, I was encouraged to support the new<br>
system. I also met some other members informally in Seoul around that<br>
time. I had previously been using the prior government-supported system,<br>
which used final b/d/g instead of p/t/k.<br>
<br>
> Please give me an access address of<br>
> your dictionary.<br>
<br>
There are two dictionaries:<br>
<br>
(1) Classical Chinese dictionary <a href="http://www.buddhism-dict.net/dealt" target="_blank">http://www.buddhism-dict.net/dealt</a><br>
(2) Buddhist Terms dictionary <a href="http://www.buddhism-dict.net/ddb" target="_blank">http://www.buddhism-dict.net/ddb</a><br>
<br>
Most major universities in the West have institutional subscriptions,<br>
but I see that SNU does not.<br>
(<a href="http://www.buddhism-dict.net/ddb/subscribing_libraries.html" target="_blank">http://www.buddhism-dict.net/ddb/subscribing_libraries.html</a>) In that<br>
case, you can do 10 searches a day using "guest" as the user ID, leaving<br>
the password field blank.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Chuck<br>
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Faculty of Letters<br>
University of Tokyo<br>
7-3-1 Hong?, Bunky?-ku<br>
Tokyo 113-8654, Japan<br>
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With all the attention given to the romanization of Korean family names, I<br>
am wondering one question.<br>
<br>
I have been told repeatedly that the Koreans, if nothing else, are<br>
intensely nationalistic. If so, why in the world so many Yi (or I), Pak (or<br>
Bag), and others are so eager to identify themselves with Western names,<br>
such as Lee, Park, and others.<br>
<br>
Yong-ho<br>
<br>
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On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:35 AM, Charles Muller <<a href="mailto:acmuller@l.u-tokyo.ac.jp" target="_blank">acmuller@l.u-tokyo.ac.jp</a>>wrote:<br>
<br>
> Dear Sang-Oak,<br>
><br>
> [Chuck] So I've been writing in RR since 1998 or so, and now my<br>
>> dictionaries contain almost 100,000 entries in<br>
>> total, where RR is used for the Korean.------ [Sang-Oak] The six-member<br>
>> committee met about 10 times only in 1999 and announced its result in<br>
>> 2000.<br>
>> I don't know who you met around that time and in 1998 the outline of<br>
>> 2000 RR was not formulated.<br>
>><br>
><br>
> I could be off by a year. The main formal event I have in mind was a<br>
> Japan-Korean friendship conference held at Shimane prefectural university,<br>
> which I though was in 1998, but perhaps it was later than that. Around that<br>
> time, a few members of the committee, most of whose names I can't remember<br>
> (but one was the younger brother of Shim Jae-ryong; I think his name is<br>
> Shim Jae-gi, or something like that) came, and in the discussions, I was<br>
> encouraged to support the new system. I also met some other members<br>
> informally in Seoul around that time. I had previously been using the prior<br>
> government-supported system, which used final b/d/g instead of p/t/k.<br>
><br>
> Please give me an access address of<br>
>> your dictionary.<br>
>><br>
><br>
> There are two dictionaries:<br>
><br>
> (1) Classical Chinese dictionary <a href="http://www.buddhism-dict.net/**dealt" target="_blank">http://www.buddhism-dict.net/**dealt</a><<a href="http://www.buddhism-dict.net/dealt" target="_blank">http://www.buddhism-dict.net/dealt</a>><br>
> (2) Buddhist Terms dictionary <a href="http://www.buddhism-dict.net/**ddb" target="_blank">http://www.buddhism-dict.net/**ddb</a><<a href="http://www.buddhism-dict.net/ddb" target="_blank">http://www.buddhism-dict.net/ddb</a>><br>
><br>
> Most major universities in the West have institutional subscriptions, but<br>
> I see that SNU does not. (<a href="http://www.buddhism-dict.net/**" target="_blank">http://www.buddhism-dict.net/**</a><br>
> ddb/subscribing_libraries.html<<a href="http://www.buddhism-dict.net/ddb/subscribing_libraries.html" target="_blank">http://www.buddhism-dict.net/ddb/subscribing_libraries.html</a>><br>
> **) In that case, you can do 10 searches a day using "guest" as the user<br>
> ID, leaving the password field blank.<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
><br>
> Chuck<br>
><br>
> ---------------------------<br>
> A. Charles Muller<br>
><br>
> Graduate School of Humanities and Sociology<br>
> Faculty of Letters<br>
> University of Tokyo<br>
> 7-3-1 Hong?, Bunky?-ku<br>
> Tokyo 113-8654, Japan<br>
><br>
> Office Phone: 03-5841-3735<br>
><br>
> Web Site: Resources for East Asian Language and Thought<br>
> <a href="http://www.acmuller.net" target="_blank">http://www.acmuller.net</a><br>
><br>
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