<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Dear Korean Studies List moderator, <br><br></div>The following text was written by me:<br><br>"
Dear Bill Streifer,<br>
<br>
A woman who spent her childhood in an Indonesian concentration camp
managed by Japanese told me that the workers of the camp (not the
prisoners, in this case) were Koreans. The manager of the camp was
Japanese.<br>
<br>
As I learned at my Jewish Orthodox school in Gush Ezion, Israel, the
Nazist treatment of Jews included complex relationship with the Jewish
leadership. There was this famous case of one of Jewish ghettos in
Europe, where the leader of Jewish community first
supplied to Nazis goods made at the ghetto factory, then labor force,
then a certain number of people, then children. The rest of the ghetto
people included the leaders were killed by Nazist just a few weeks
before liberation.<br>
<br>
My specialization is 'technologies of self'. Technologies of self
includes how to build a person, and how to break a person. Nazist,
communist and similar regimes have a particular set of skills and
techniques, that include moral/spiritual demoralization, humiliation
and elimination. You can apply these techniques to a person, and also
to a nation."<br><br></div>This text should not appear as signed by Henny (Lee Hae Kang).<br><br></div><div>Please do not post my current letter on the list. It is only for the moderator.<br></div><div><br></div>Thank you,<br>
<br></div>Victoria Ten<br></div>Leiden University<br><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 6:00 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:koreanstudies-request@koreanstudies.com" target="_blank">koreanstudies-request@koreanstudies.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<br>Today's Topics:<br>
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1. Re: "Petition; "Make U.S. high school curriculums more<br>
inclusive of Japanese War Crimes during WW II" (Henny Savenije)<br>
2. Korean war photos (Michael Rank)<br>
3. Re: "Petition; "Make U.S. high school curriculums more<br>
inclusive of Japanese War Crimes during WW II" (Walraven, B.C.A.)<br>
<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Henny Savenije <<a href="mailto:webmaster@henny-savenije.pe.kr">webmaster@henny-savenije.pe.kr</a>><br>To: Korean Studies Discussion List <<a href="mailto:koreanstudies@koreanstudies.com">koreanstudies@koreanstudies.com</a>><br>
Cc: <br>Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 16:56:05 +0900<br>Subject: Re: [KS] "Petition; "Make U.S. high school curriculums more inclusive of Japanese War Crimes during WW II"<br>
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Maybe history might repeat itself. That's why<br><br>
At 03:39 PM 2/8/2014 Saturday +0900, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">1. Why is this blatantly
political appeal appearing on the list?<br><br>
2. Why should the US permit an instrument of American public opinion to
be hijacked to sharpen the nationalist axe of one foreign nation against
another in a controversy in which the only US interests is that it is
settled between the nations in interest in a manner that is mutually
acceptable? <br><br>
3. What procedural safeguards exist to ensure that, in connection with a
device that is intended to provide for the ostensibly sua sponte
expression, and perhaps official Presidential affirmation, of American
public opinion, petitioners' identities as US citizens are confirmed (and
the propensity of Korean nutizens to vote early and vote often is
effectively curtailed)?<br><br>
</blockquote>
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oOOO----(_)----OOOo---<br>
Henny (Lee Hae Kang)<br>
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<a href="http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr/" target="_blank">
http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr</a> Portal to all my sites<br>
<font color="#0000FF"><u>
<a href="http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/" target="_blank">
http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr</a> </u></font>(in
English) Feel free to discover Korea with Hendrick Hamel (1653-1666)<br>
<font color="#0000FF"><u>
<a href="http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/indexk2.htm" target="_blank">
http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/indexk2.htm</a>
</u></font>In Korean <br>
<font color="#0000FF"><u>
<a href="http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/Dutch" target="_blank">
http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/Dutch</a> </u></font>In
Dutch<br>
<font color="#0000FF"><u>
<a href="http://www.vos.henny-savenije.pe.kr/" target="_blank">
http://www.vos.henny-savenije.pe.kr</a> </u></font>Frits Vos Article
about Witsen and Eibokken and his first Korean-Dutch dictionary<br>
<a href="http://www.cartography.henny-savenije.pe.kr/" target="_blank">
http://www.cartography.henny-savenije.pe.kr</a> (in English) Korea
through Western Cartographic eyes<br>
<font color="#0000FF"><u>
<a href="http://www.hwasong.henny-savenije.pe.kr/" target="_blank">
http://www.hwasong.henny-savenije.pe.kr</a> </u></font>Hwasong the
fortress in Suwon<br>
<font color="#0000FF"><u>
<a href="http://www.oldkorea.henny-savenije.pe.kr/" target="_blank">
http://www.oldKorea.henny-savenije.pe.kr</a> </u></font>Old Korea in
pictures<br>
<font color="#0000FF"><u>
<a href="http://www.british.henny-savenije.pe.kr/" target="_blank">
http://www.british.henny-savenije.pe.kr</a> </u></font>A British
encounter in Pusan (1797)<br>
<font color="#0000FF"><u>
<a href="http://www.henny-savenije.com/tng/" target="_blank">
http://www.henny-savenije.com/tng/</a> </u></font>Genealogy<br>
<font color="#0000FF"><u>
<a href="http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr/phorum" target="_blank">
http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr/phorum</a> </u></font>Bulletin board for
Korean studies<br><br>
<br>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Michael Rank <<a href="mailto:rank@mailbox.co.uk">rank@mailbox.co.uk</a>><br>To: "<a href="mailto:BAKS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK">BAKS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK</a>" <<a href="mailto:BAKS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK">BAKS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK</a>>, "<a href="mailto:koreanstudies@koreanstudies.com">koreanstudies@koreanstudies.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:koreanstudies@koreanstudies.com">koreanstudies@koreanstudies.com</a>><br>
Cc: <br>Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 11:43:22 +0000<br>Subject: [KS] Korean war photos<br>This website has posted a large number of photos of the Korean war, their origin is unclear. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/china-postcard/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/china-postcard/</a><br>
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I especially liked this one <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/china-postcard/11987113974/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/china-postcard/11987113974/</a><br>
<br>
Michael Rank<br>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Walraven, B.C.A." <<a href="mailto:B.C.A.Walraven@hum.leidenuniv.nl">B.C.A.Walraven@hum.leidenuniv.nl</a>><br>To: 'Korean Studies Discussion List' <<a href="mailto:koreanstudies@koreanstudies.com">koreanstudies@koreanstudies.com</a>><br>
Cc: <br>Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 13:09:13 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [KS] "Petition; "Make U.S. high school curriculums more inclusive of Japanese War Crimes during WW II"<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Agreeing with Kent that this whole discussion probably should not be conducted in this place, I feel bound to respond to the suggestion that the
Japanese camps were more brutal than the German camps. The Japanese camps were in many ways horrible. My grandmother died there of starvation, for instance, and there was violence and misery in various forms, but they were not industrialized extermination
camps like Auschwitz. Up to a point people could maintain some dignity and even do ordinary things. To the three camps in which she stayed my mother lugged a 3 kilogram book about Rembrandt and a 6-volume set of
<i>Les Miserables</i> and she had paper to make drawings of her surroundings (one of which showed the book, which with wry humour she entitled “Les miserables”). To suggest that the German camps were less brutal amounts to Holocaust denial.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Boudewijn<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> Koreanstudies [mailto:<a href="mailto:koreanstudies-bounces@koreanstudies.com" target="_blank">koreanstudies-bounces@koreanstudies.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Henny Savenije<br>
<b>Sent:</b> zaterdag 8 februari 2014 6:03<br>
<b>To:</b> Korean Studies Discussion List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [KS] "Petition; "Make U.S. high school curriculums more inclusive of Japanese War Crimes during WW II"<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I know and have known many people who were in an Indonesian (Japanese) concentration camp, some family members, some friends, some who spent their youth there.
<br>
<br>
Each and every one of them told me that they hated the Koreans more than the Japanese, the Korean camp guards were more cruel than the Japanese. I knew one couple, he, Dutch spent the war in an Indonesian concentration camp, she, Jewish, spent the last part
of the war in a German concentration camp. They both stated that the Japanese camps were more brutal.
<br>
<br>
At 02:34 PM 2/7/2014 Friday +0100, you wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Bill Streifer,<br>
<br>
A woman who spent her childhood in an Indonesian concentration camp managed by Japanese told me that the workers of the camp (not the prisoners, in this case) were Koreans. The manager of the camp was Japanese.<br>
<br>
As I learned at my Jewish Orthodox school in Gush Ezion, Israel, the Nazist treatment of Jews included complex relationship with the Jewish leadership. There was this famous case of one of Jewish ghettos in Europe, where the leader of Jewish community first
supplied to Nazis goods made at the ghetto factory, then labor force, then a certain number of people, then children. The rest of the ghetto people included the leaders were killed by Nazist just a few weeks before liberation.<br>
<br>
My specialization is 'technologies of self'. Technologies of self includes how to build a person, and how to break a person. Nazist, communist and similar regimes have a particular set of skills and techniques, that include moral/spiritual demoralization, humiliation
and elimination. You can apply these techniques to a person, and also to a nation.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"> _ _<br>
(o) (o)<br>
oOOO----(_)----OOOo---<br>
Henny (Lee Hae Kang)<br>
-----------------------------<br>
<a href="http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr/" target="_blank">http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr</a> Portal to all my sites<br>
<u><span style="color:blue"><a href="http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/" target="_blank">http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr</a>
</span></u>(in English) Feel free to discover Korea with Hendrick Hamel (1653-1666)<br>
<u><span style="color:blue"><a href="http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/indexk2.htm" target="_blank">http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/indexk2.htm</a>
</span></u>In Korean <br>
<u><span style="color:blue"><a href="http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/Dutch" target="_blank">http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/Dutch</a>
</span></u>In Dutch<br>
<u><span style="color:blue"><a href="http://www.vos.henny-savenije.pe.kr/" target="_blank">http://www.vos.henny-savenije.pe.kr</a>
</span></u>Frits Vos Article about Witsen and Eibokken and his first Korean-Dutch dictionary<br>
<a href="http://www.cartography.henny-savenije.pe.kr/" target="_blank">http://www.cartography.henny-savenije.pe.kr</a> (in English) Korea through Western Cartographic eyes<br>
<u><span style="color:blue"><a href="http://www.hwasong.henny-savenije.pe.kr/" target="_blank">http://www.hwasong.henny-savenije.pe.kr</a>
</span></u>Hwasong the fortress in Suwon<br>
<u><span style="color:blue"><a href="http://www.oldkorea.henny-savenije.pe.kr/" target="_blank">http://www.oldKorea.henny-savenije.pe.kr</a>
</span></u>Old Korea in pictures<br>
<u><span style="color:blue"><a href="http://www.british.henny-savenije.pe.kr/" target="_blank">http://www.british.henny-savenije.pe.kr</a>
</span></u>A British encounter in Pusan (1797)<br>
<u><span style="color:blue"><a href="http://www.henny-savenije.com/tng/" target="_blank">http://www.henny-savenije.com/tng/</a>
</span></u>Genealogy<br>
<u><span style="color:blue"><a href="http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr/phorum" target="_blank">http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr/phorum</a>
</span></u>Bulletin board for Korean studies<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
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