<div dir="ltr"><div>If those ? & ? (in my monitor screen) are nothing but German umlaut sounds in Korean standard vowels, I may report my own Seoulite pronunciation as examples. I will be 70 soon and have pronounced pwi, twi/tyi, chyi, kyi [wi as diphthongs & yi close to umlauted u]. This tendency was also witnessed by Lee Hui Seung, another near-Seoulite scholar, in his "Introduction to Korean Linguistics" written about 60 years ago. He came from Paju, just in the north of Seoul, and I am an offspring of pure Seoulite all through Chosun
Dynasty. My old house is preserved in Namsan Hanok maeul as a tea house built by the master carpenter who also built the Gyeongbok Palace.</div><div>In short, even Seoulite never pronounced front rounded vowels all in umlaut but only non-labial ones are umlauted in recent years. Now more diphthongized into wi. Likewise [we] than umlauted o.</div>
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A side note (not about the actual sound but the transcription):<br>
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The scholar who brought in the "?" was not a German but an American:<br>
Homer B. Hulbert.<br>
See e.g. this notation example in a short article from 1896 about<br>
Arirang and "Korean Vocal Music":<br>
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This is from p. 51 of:<br>
H.B. Hulbert, "Korean Vocal Music," _The Korean Repository_ 3, no. 2<br>
(February 1896): 45-53.<br>
See also p. 52 ... online version here:<br>
<a href="https://archive.org/stream/koreanrepositor00unkngoog#page/n80/mode/2up" target="_blank">https://archive.org/stream/koreanrepositor00unkngoog#page/n80/mode/2up</a><br>
(Thanks to Rob Provine for pointing me to this article, in a different<br>
context.)<br>
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James Scarth Gale also uses "?" and "?" -- BOTH times for ? though.<br>
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The IPA had "just" then been created but probably not known then to<br>
Hulbert -- and Hulbert was not a linguist or language scholar in any<br>
case. It could just be that Hulbert and others use "the next best"<br>
solution then. For Charles Dallet (1874) as a French native speaker<br>
that had been "o?" for ? and for Hulbert the sound may simply have<br>
reminded him remotely of the German "?" -- doesn't have to mean the<br>
actual pronunciation he was familiar with -- in Seoul, not Kangw?n-do.<br>
As seen from a foreign learner of Korean, as Werner pointed out, seeing<br>
the "?" and "?" in textbooks would then have easily created a<br>
life-long mispronunciation. In my third semester I had the honor to<br>
participate in a fun "reading course" in Classical Chinese with Werner<br>
Eichhorn, a Sinologist and religious scholar who was already 86 years<br>
old at the time (1985). He only accepted three students per course,<br>
simply because he did not have more chairs in his living room. Eichhorn<br>
had a very special, rather anarchic way of interpreting the Classics,<br>
and that did beautifully correspond with his own personal life style<br>
(he lived unmarried with his girlfriend in the most conservative<br>
Catholic area one can possibly find in southern Germany) ... but these<br>
stories aside: he always said, "I don't speak any Chinese,<br>
unfortunately, that is something for you guys to learn and teach me,<br>
but my Wade-Giles is not from bad parents!" In this sense ...<br>
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Best,<br>
Frank<br>
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