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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><EM><STRONG>husband cut fingers and nose of her (his) wife (poor ordinary family in Seoul), which was one of the most harsh punishments to the criminals<BR></STRONG></EM> <BR>
This is very important because criminals and such victims of domestic violence thereafter would most likely be seen as lepers and would become social outcasts due to fears of contagion as well as discomfort at their disfigurement.<BR>
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Also, the notion that women were treated more gently is, of course, part of Neo-Confucian ideology and helps rationalize it--which msy help explain why both are still with us today. <BR>
And what about the expectation that a woman should take her own life if violated by a man outside of her household or natal family? At least in this respect, I believe few serious observers would concur that women were treated less harshly than men.<BR>
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From: sungoak@hotmail.com<BR>To: koreanstudies@koreanstudies.com<BR>Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 16:20:06 -0500<BR>Subject: Re: [KS] punishment of women in Choson<BR><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Dear Prof. Torrey,
<DIV>This is not a government thing and a different topic, yet we need to consider domestic violence and private punishment of women in the 19th century Korea.</DIV>
<DIV>Even in the 1890s a zealous husband cut fingers and nose of her wife (poor ordinary family in Seoul), which was one of the most harsh punishments to the criminals, took two children from her, and abandoned her. I do not know if he was punished for his behavior. </DIV>
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<DIV>Sung Deuk Oak</DIV>
<DIV>UCLA</DIV>
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From: sunjookim1@hotmail.com<BR>To: koreanstudies@koreanstudies.com<BR>Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 13:40:33 -0500<BR>Subject: Re: [KS] punishment of women in Choson<BR><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr><BR><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt" color=black size=1 face=Helvetica><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 8pt"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt" color=black size=1 face=Helvetica><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 8pt">Dear Deberniere Torrey,<BR>First of all, let me note that the book, <I>Wrongful Deaths</I>, is a coauthored book by Sun Joo Kim and Jungwon Kim.<BR>Second, I disagree with the statement: "</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt" color=black size=1 face=Helvetica><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 8pt"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt" color=black size=1 face=Helvetica><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 8pt"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt" color=black size=1 face=Helvetica><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 8pt">the Choson state was more lenient toward <SPAN>women</SPAN> as criminals, since they were considered subject to and therefore less responsible than men."<BR></SPAN></FONT>The above-mentioned book discusses the topic--how women were differently treated depending on their social status and the kinds of crimes women committed . For example, if you see pages 16-17, authors explain that there were different procedures applying to examine women's dead body, quoting the <I>Coroner's Guide for the Elimination of Grievances (MuwOllok) </I>and other sources. In pages 23-24, authors point out, "the level of punishment differed in accordance with the offender's status: capital punishment was encoded for an adulteress of yangban status from the early sixteenth century onward, while an adulterous commoner woman in the late ChosOn was often enslaved..." again quoting various sources. You can see in this statement that women sometimes received harsher treatment. If you continue to read this chapter and others involving female victims and criminals, you will find other relevant discussions addressing your question. If you don't have time to read the entire book carefully, index might be a good start.<BR>Yours,<BR>Sun Joo Kim<BR></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><BR><BR>
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 14:41:57 +0100<BR>From: yoneun@gmail.com<BR>To: jim@jhoare10.fsnet.co.uk; koreanstudies@koreanstudies.com<BR>Subject: [KS] punishment of women in Choson<BR><BR>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 107%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This might help you, though it’s not directly your subject: Kim, Nayeon. 2012. “Indoctrinating Female Virture: the Social use of Chosŏn Woodblock Prints” (paper presented at Eighth Worldwide Consortium of Korean Studies Centers Workshop, July 4-7, 2012, Seoul, South Korea). Or at least the bibliography at the end can help.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 107%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Samgang Haengsildo (</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 107%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Malgun Gothic', sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=KO>三綱行實圖</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 107%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">, Illustrated Exemplars of the Three Bonds) was commissioned in 1428 by King Sejong (1418-1450) for the purpose of ‘people education’ and woodblock-printed in 1434 (Kim, Nayeon 2012: 225, 228, 232). The Three Bonds describe the three social structures, the three ethical obligations of loyalty and servitude. The subject must serve the king, the son or daughter must serve the parent, and the wife must serve the husband. Thus formulated moral and social obligations show that women were traditionally included among the subjects of virtue in East-Asia. But this is theory, and practice might be different. Interesting question in this respect is whether children were considered less responsible for crimes than their parents, as according to Three Bonds sons and daughters are subjected to parents just as wives are subjected to husbands. </SPAN></P><BR></DIV>
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