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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#222222">Mark,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#222222"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#222222">Thanks for sharing your expertise. Greatly appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#222222"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#222222">My main reason for my participation is to let people know about these totally
unexpected ancient Chinese scripts and their implications for Asiatic and Native American histories. Here is my point-by-point reply to your posting. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#222222"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Item 1. Dating of the petroglyphs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">My initial statement of a date for these petroglyphs is "approximately 500 BC. And, unfortunately
I failed to include a range for this estimate. However, I agree with your insightful commentary that a better estimate for the date of these writings may be 3500-3000 YBP. National Park personnel, not me, have assigned significant "antiquity" to these scripts
based upon their independent evaluation of the writing repatination levels. But as a contributor to this study, Don Graczyk, Ph.D., the Lead Inorganic Chemist at Argonne Nat'l Laboratory has advised, there is no scientifically acceptable way to date rock art.
Consequently, the style (oracle-bone) of the scripts themselves provides the best demonstrable evidence for assigning a date for the creation of these images. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Item 2. Syntax exhibited by the petroglyphs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">When I suggested the syntax of the Rinconada Canyon writing to Dr. Keightley, he replied and
thanked me for making him aware of the source material. He added that it would make a good addition to his own bibliography.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">The additional glyphs on this panel are still under investigation and have not yet been demonstrably
deciphered and subsequently confirmed by recognized experts. The relative pecking depth of these additional images varies significantly from those of the identified Chinese symbols, suggesting different authorship. Hence, they might be Native American in origin.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">(Note that this site is comprised of over 20,000 petroglyphs of which almost all are known
to be associated with local Native populations. Still, a couple of nearby petroglyphs are also demonstrably Chinese. See the main research manuscript titled:
<i>Asiatic Echoes - The Identification of Ancient Chinese Pictograms in pre-Columbian North American Rock Writing,
</i>3rd edition<i> </i>for the details of these images.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Item 3. Early trans-Pacific travel.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Your use of the terms "obviously" and "attempted" are both unfounded assumptions. How this
individual, or these individuals, got to North America is not the point of this research. One could speculate forever on motivation, or if it were a chance happening. At this time we cannot say why or how the author(s) of these ancient writings got to these
sites. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">However, the ancient scripts identified in this research project are not recent specious fabrications.
In each case the levels of repatination evident upon them indicates that they are much older than the relatively recent rediscovery and translation of oracle-bone script beginning in AD 1899. Certainly, these readable scripts were created long ago by someone
who was literate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Item 4. Reason for posting and the research on the Korean Studies site. general.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Please don't assume anything. My purpose in sharing these findings on the Korean Studies forum
is to demonstrate that literate Chinese people were in North America long ago (Shang era). Therefore, the possibility that any of the advanced maritime people of Asia could have made a similar voyage, by design or by chance drift, must be considered. I appreciate
your historical knowledge and good advice. Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Item 5. Associating my research with another, namely Gavin Menzies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Your association of this research with works by Gavin Menzies is absolutely and demonstrably
untrue. It suggests unfounded bias. <i>Asiatic Echoes</i> began while I was on vacation in Utah following my retirement in 2004. Only later, while touring near Barstow, California did I learn of Gavin Menzies from a worker at the local Calico Early Man Site.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Years later I exchanged correspondence with Gavin through his associate Ian Hudson. But this
was only after he learned of my findings not the other way as you erroneously suggest. My work is totally separate and unrelated to that of Menzies and Hudson. (PS - I have copyrights for my earliest writings and email which support this timeline.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Item 6. The veracity of Asiatic Echoes and the experts who have contributed to the findings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">You suggest that this study is based on faith. Really? Please read the full study report: <i>Asiatic
Echoes - The Identification of Ancient Chinese Pictograms in pre-Columbian North American Rock Writing</i>, 3rd edition. You should note in the <i>1st Supplemental Report</i> generated by this still ongoing study that it was the renowned sinologist David Keightley,
Ph.D., of UC Berkeley who pointed out the presence of the script for Da Jia upon the Rinconada Canyon boulder. Two years ago I sat with David at his kitchen table on Vermont Street in Berkeley and we discussed this very item and his confirmation of it as readable
Chinese along with the other study scripts, too.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Also note the robust statistical rubric employed in
<i>Asiatic Echoes,</i> and the confirmation of the study's statistical findings by such scholars as: David Keightley (who edited the initial manuscript); Ma Baochun of Capital Normal University in Beijing; Fan Yuzhou of Nanjing University; and Song Yaoliang
formerly of the Harvard-Yenching Institute. Importantly, Keightley noted "This is a new (academic) field." <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">FYI- the cultural context in which all of these ancient Chinese scripts are located is totally,
Native American.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Have you read the papers generated by the scientists who have presented at the <i>Paths Across
the Pacific</i> conferences organized by Dr. Nancy Yaw Davis? For many years these highly esteemed oceanographers, geneticists, and anthropologists have scientifically demonstrated the reality of early trans-Pacific voyages. Nancy's book <i>The Zuni Enigma</i> is
well worth noting, also.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Finally, the ancient Chinese rock art writings identified in my research papers are real and
demonstrable. They remain available for further study. And, there is only one scientifically sound explanation for their presence at multiple and disparate locations from the Mojave Desert to Albuquerque, that is, long ago people from Asia made it to North
America in conformance with historical records such as the <i>Kuen 327</i>. Consequently, as literate Chinese were able to make it to America very long ago so too may have the Korean people. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">John A. Ruskamp, Jr.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#222222"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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"Times New Roman","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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