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<p class="MsoNormal">I add also that there was a core of Korean defectors for instance, including Han Yun, the son of an Imjin War general and associated with the remnants of the Yi Kwal uprising, who played a vital role in the 1627 invasion. Also not royal,
but in fact extremely interesting. They appear in the Old Manchu archive, providing justifications to Hong Taiji for the invasion of 1627. Of course, there is the fascinating case of the interpreter Chŏng Myŏngsu/<span style="font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:#373A3C;background:white">Gūlmahūn,
a key interpreter for the Qing in Mukden/Shenyang – he has recently attracted a certain amount of research.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:#373A3C;background:white">But compared to the intermarriages of the Yuan era, pretty tame!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Koreanstudies <koreanstudies-bounces@koreanstudies.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kirk Larsen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 20, 2023 6:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Korean Studies Discussion List <koreanstudies@koreanstudies.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [KS] Qing–Chosŏn royal exchanges or marriages?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with Adam's answers to Frank's queries here!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I will note, however, the interesting cases of Princess Ŭisun, who was adopted by Hyojong so she could be married to Dorgon (who ruled more or less as regent for the Shunzhi Emperor) and "Imperial Noble Consort Shujia" who was from a Korean
clan that joined the Manchus probably around the 1636 invasion of Chosŏn and was married to the then prince but future Qianlong Emperor. Not exactly royal intermarriages but probably worth noting nonetheless.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 8:30 PM Adam Bohnet <<a href="mailto:abohnet@uwo.ca">abohnet@uwo.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">First answer, as for Korea: No. There were no members of the Qing royal family who staid in Choson. There were also no royal intermarriages. Also none under the Ming. The Koreans who became part of the palace complex were not royal. The
closest to Ming imperial women in Choson were some refugees that the Qing allowed to live in Choson after 1645. They were not, however, intermarried with the Ming court.
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Check out Rawski - there were royal intermarriages between the Aisin Gioro family and Mongol princes. I guess it depends on what you mean by outside the country. But yes, the Aisin Gioro royal house did intermarry with Mongols, quite deliberately. Mongol princes
spoke in Manchu to avoid being overheard by their inferiors, according I think to Evelyn Rawski's book on Qing emperors. I would check out that book, by the way, for such answers.
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As for three - I don't think so. I have never heard of such a case (again, unless you are including Mongolia, and Xinjiang and Tibet, in which case, possibly? I think you will need to consult with Qing historians for that, to be certain.
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From: Koreanstudies <<a href="mailto:koreanstudies-bounces@koreanstudies.com" target="_blank">koreanstudies-bounces@koreanstudies.com</a>> On Behalf Of Frank Hoffmann<br>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 8:02 PM<br>
To: Korean Studies Discussion List <<a href="mailto:koreanstudies@koreanstudies.com" target="_blank">koreanstudies@koreanstudies.com</a>><br>
Subject: [KS] Qing–Chosŏn royal exchanges or marriages?<br>
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Dear All:<br>
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Apologies, but I seem to have forgotten if I never even came across any information about the following issue. Maybe someone has a definitive answer?<br>
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I am aware that Crown Prince Sohyŏn spent many years in what is now Shenyang—albeit under forced circumstances. However, what I'm actually curious about is whether, during Qing times, there were any instances of royal intermarriages occurring "in the other
direction," whereby members of the Manchu Chinese royal family found themselves residing in Korea. Alternatively, were there any cases, aside from the usual diplomatic delegations and travel, of members of the Qing royal family living in Korea or other Asian
countries for reasons beyond these traditional activities?<br>
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Thanks!<br>
Frank<br>
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Frank Hoffmann<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Kirk W. Larsen <br>
Department of History<br>
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Brigham Young University <br>
Provo, UT 84602-6707<br>
(801) 422-3445<br>
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