[KS] Re: 'Memoir' defames Korean culture

[Young Kyun Oh]

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The Hanyu da cidian has entries for both "hunxue (honhyOl in Korean)" and
"hunxue-er (honhyOra in Korean)".  The examples given for the useage are all
from modern literature, none from traditional literature.  The first
example--usually the earliest example found--for "hunxue" is by Mao Zedong
(Mao Tse-tung) in his "Shi da guanxi," roughly translated: "The population
of the Han (Chinese) race is large, and maybe it has been formed by multiple
races mixing blood for a long period of time.."  It is interesting to note
that "hunxue" seems to have been used here as a verb phrase, not as a
nominal term ("hun4 xue3 er2 cheng2").  The Han-guk Hanja-O sajOn does not
have "honhyOl" or "honhyOra," neither does the Yijo-O sajOn.  It could be an
indication that the terms are not found in the traditional Korean literature
in classical Chinese.

As for the derogatory term "twigi," the Yijo-O sajOn has an entry for
"t'Uk," which quotes an explanation "(a foal) of which a horse is the father
and an ox (=cow) is the mother, or vice versa, is called t'Uk."  "T'Uk-i,"
again in the Yijo-O sajOn, is identified with the Sino-Korean term "kyOlje,"
by which it means a "pOsae (a hinny)" in Korea (Tae Han Han sajOn).  "POsae"
is described to be from a male horse and a female donkey, which is larger
than "nosae (a mule)" but smaller than a donkey. (KyOremal k'Un sajOn)

Since I was sitting next to the dictionaries....

Young Kyun Oh

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From: "sunwukong" <sunwukong at hananet.net>
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Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: 'Memoir' defames Korean culture


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> Morgan good to see your still kicking
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> Morohashi (Japanese - Chinese dictionary 13 vols) vol 7 pp 6969-6970 has
> an entry for Hun Hsueh Er which appears to be derogatory (I can't be
> sure of the Japanese).  At the end of the definition it lists Tsa Chung
> Er as a synonym (Mathews p. 972 lists this as mixed seed; half-caste;
> hybrid; illegitimate child.
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> VR
> Pat Kirol
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> Morgan Clippinger wrote:
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> > Dear List:
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> > Japanese konketsuji has been mentioned in this thread as the origin of
> > Korean honhyora.  I note that my Chinese (mainland and Taiwan)
> > dictionaries--which are by no means comprehensive--have the term for
> > mixed-blood child, hunxue'er or hun-hsueh-erh (honhyora), but not just
> > hunxue or hun-hsueh (honhyol).  I can't find hun-hsueh (-erh) in
Mathews,
> > either.  Does anyone know whether Chinese borrowed the term from
Japanese or
> > whether the word existed in Chinese in earlier times?   If a borrowing,
when
> > did it come into Chinese?  Did the Chinese have the concept of hunxue?
Just
> > curious.
> >
> > Morgan E. Clippinger
> >
> >
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