[KS] Striking photographs of the DPRK from AP's David Guttenfelder, in The Atlantic

Tue Aug 9 11:30:47 EDT 2011

I don't think that it makes much sense to distinguish between normal (or ordinary) and, as the opposite, abnormal countries; it all depends on the perspective and especially on the discipline from which one regards NK. In many cases we not even have reliable information which give sufficient evidence. 

At least the older generation may benefit from looking back to the past of SK. Some of my South Korean friends imagine and compare NK and its everyday life as well as people's mentality with the 1960s and 1970s in SK.

Also, I do think that NK may not be an exotic place - whatever it precisely means, if it means anything - for list members who are experts or somehow involved with Korean studies but for the majority of the world in which we live NK is grasped and imagined as a very, maybe most exotic place worldwide which is due to the representation in the news and sometimes due to certain publications creating intentionally an exotic image. It fits well with the perception of its own national identity which is assumed to be superior (USA, maybe Europe) and supported through west-centered communication and rhetoric which is then in turn really alien and exotic to NK...
Best,
Tobias Lehmann 

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> Datum: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:47:53 -0700 (PDT)
> Von: don kirk <kirkdon at yahoo.com>
> An: Korean Studies Discussion List <koreanstudies at koreaweb.ws>
> Betreff: Re: [KS] Striking photographs of the DPRK from AP\'s David	Guttenfelder, in The Atlantic

> Or could it be that NKorea, with its gulag system, dynastic succession and
> numerous other issues and constraints, is, in fact, not an "ordinary"
> country at all? It doesn't seem to me that it helps a lot to try to put NKorea
> in the "ordinary" category -- that's sort of an affront to a number of
> other places and nations, not least SKorea.
> Don Kirk
> 
> --- On Mon, 8/8/11, Charles K. Armstrong <cra10 at columbia.edu> wrote:
> 
> From: Charles K. Armstrong <cra10 at columbia.edu>
> Subject: Re: [KS] Striking photographs of the DPRK from AP's David
> Guttenfelder, in The Atlantic
> To: koreanstudies at koreaweb.ws
> Date: Monday, August 8, 2011, 9:42 AM
> 
> Dear Ruediger and all,
> 
> I would like to expand a bit on my brief comments last week. They were not
> meant as a criticism of Aidan's taste or the perfectly fine photos in the
> Atlantic. What troubles me, however, it the continued exoticization of
> North Korea in the Western (particularly, perhaps, American) media that the
> article reflects. After all, it is unlikely that there would be a major spread
> in a leading American journal of equally fine photos of, say, Canada or
> France -- or South Korea for that matter. These images of North Korea warrant
> such attention because North Korea is supposedly so isolated,
> inaccessible, and alien that any representation other than the usual stock images is
> greeted with astonishment (not by members of this listserve, of course, but
> the general reading public). Anything that goes beyond the narrow standard
> narrative of military threat, starvation and gulags is jarring to an
> American media audience. This is not to say these things don't exist -- they
>  certainly do -- but obviously that's not all there is, and I am dismayed
> that the evidence that everyday life exists in North Korea is treated in
> this country as a journalistic discovery. My hope is that someday North Korea
> will be treated as an ordinary country. "Ordinary" here is not meant as a
> value judgment, as there is obviously plenty to criticize about the DPRK.
> Rather, I simply mean that one would never guess from most media
> representations of the place (at least in this country) that North Korea occupies the
> same planet that we do, and that it is populated by human beings with the
> same needs, desires, and general level of intelligence as people anywhere
> else. It seems to me that any useful criticism has to begin with this
> recognition of commonality, rather that the idea of North Korea as an unknowable
> Other.
> 
> best,
> 
> Charles
> 
> --Charles K. Armstrong
> Professor of History
> Director, Center for Korean Research
> Columbia University
> 930 International Affairs Building
> 420 West 118th Street
> New York, NY 10027
> 
> Tel: 212-854-1721
> Fax: 212-749-1497
> 
> 
> Quoting Ruediger Frank <ruediger.frank at univie.ac.at>:
> 
> > Dear all,
> > I should add in Aidan's defense that he is of course quite aware of 
> that problem - people going to NK and getting excited over allegedly  new
> stuff that has been known to others for years. As an economist,  I suspect
> some marketing tactics behind these claims of exclusivity.  But guess what,
> it works. Nicely and sharply, as always, Aidan  called this the "Columbus
> effect" in a chapter (DPRKrazy, Sexy,  Cool: The Art of Engaging North
> Korea) he and his wife Kate Hext  contributed to a book that has just been
> published:
> > Exploring North Korean Arts. Nuremberg: Verlag für moderne Kunst, 
> available at
> >
> http://www.amazon.de/Exploring-North-Korean-R%C3%BCdiger-Frank/dp/3869842148/ref=sr_1_1?s=books-intl-de&ie=UTF8&qid=1312714927&sr=1-1
> > Other contributors are Koen DeCeuster, Brian Myers, Sonja Haussler, 
> James Hoare, Jane Portal, Frank Hoffmann, Keith Howard, Ross King,  Marsha
> Haufler and Dafna Zur.
> > Speaking of marketing: This book was hard work, in many respects.  But
> I dare saying it was worth all the effort, for it is systematic, 
> rigorous, controversial, balanced, and full of highly interesting  information and
> discussion. Well, of course I think so; I am the  editor. So you better
> see for yourself. I have to work out the  copyright details yet; but soon
> the introductory chapter along with  a table of contents will be available
> at  http://wirtschaft.ostasien.univie.ac.at I'll send out a note to this 
> list once this is done.
> > For now, you might want to have a look at the program of last 
> September's related symposium for an impression:
> >
> http://wirtschaft.ostasien.univie.ac.at/fileadmin/user_upload/lehrstuhl_wirtschaft_ostasien/Konferenzen/KOREA_FolderSymposium_04.pdf
> > If anyone on the list is interested in doing a review, please  contact
> me for a review copy (and indicate where/when the review is  going to
> appear). My contact details are below. Or just convince  your librarian to
> order it so that your students have access, too.
> > Best,
> > Rudiger
> > PS: A short note on Arirang, since it came up in the discussion (the 
> same could be said about posters and the rest of the propaganda  stuff): I
> have been there a couple of times, and it does change,  like adding a full
> new chapter on cho-chung ch'insOng. Most of this  is a reflection of
> changing priorities/nuances in domestic and  foreign policy. Some people find
> it hard to believe, but the White  Man is not the center of the world, and
> not everything North Korea  does is meant as a signal to us. I know; it's
> tough.
> > 
> > --
> > Univ.-Prof. Dr. Rudiger Frank
> > Chair of East Asian Economy and Society
> > Secretary, Association for Korean Studies in Europe
> > Deputy Head, Department of East Asian Studies
> > University of Vienna
> > Department of East Asian Studies
> > Spitalgasse 2 Hof 2.3
> > 1090 Vienna
> > - Austria -
> > 
> > phone:  +43-1-4277 43871
> > fax:    +43-1-4277 43849
> > institutional website:   http://wirtschaft.ostasien.univie.ac.at
> > email: ruediger.frank at univie.ac.at
> > 
> 
> 
> 

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