[KS] Re: Hamel again, from Cheju-do to Seoul (Quelpaert to Sior)

[sungjong.paik at uni-tuebingen.de]

dear jan,

the main raod from seoul to kongju during ChosOn Period is found in
"yegyuji" by SO Yugu. and of course you can compare it with the records
of <<KyOngguk taejOn>>.
sincerely,
Sungjong Paik
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Dr. Sungjong Paik
Seminar fuer Sinologie und Koreanistik der Universitaet Tuebingen
e-mail: sungjong.paik at uni-tuebingen.de
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Jan Boonstra wrote:
> 
> At 12:06 01-10-98 +0200, you wrote:
> >Dear list,
> >
> >Obviously van Hove didn't like to translate the journey of Hamel to Seoul,
> >so I
> >decided to transcribe that part and translate that into English, there are a
> >few place names which puzzle me, but somebody has some ideas. Here comes the
> >translated transcription (if there are people interested in the original
> >transcription I can send that too) Does anyone has an idea about the missing
> >place names or other ideas about the city names?
> >
> I think this part of Hamel's journal is very interesting and it is amazing
> how well Hamel could remember where they stayed each day. About the town
> names: Maybe professor Kim Tae-jin was right when he interpreted "Huingh"
> as "Kimku". I checked the route with a map and come to some conclusions and
> questions:
> 
> 1. The first four days they proceeded through Chollanam-do with a speed of
> 35 kms a day. The next 6 days they did about half of this distance per day.
> 
> 2. Till Kongju, the report is detailed. But the part from Kongju to Seoul
> is not reported at all, other then they passed a big river and that it took
> several days to reach Seoul. Why would that be?
> 
> 3. On the 11th day they stayed in "Insaen". In the various publications of
> Hamel's journal, the authors have translated this as Yongsan and indeed,
> there is a village of Yongsan-ri in the district of Nonsan-city. But I
> doubt if they stayed in that village. Simply, because it is far off the
> obvious route from Unjin fortress (near Nonsan, on the 10th day) to Kongju
> (the 12th day). IMHO there are 2 possibilities: A. They stayed in
> Nosongsan-castle, about 12 kms north of Nonsan. B. They stayed near
> Kyeryongsan, a litlle further north on the road to Kongju.
> 
> 4. Which route would they have taken from Kongju to Seoul?
> Henny Savenije translated from the original manuscript:
> 
> >and arrived at night in a city called Kongtio (Kongju), where the
> >Cityholder of the province of Shaelde has his court. The next day
> >we passed a big river, and came into the province of Senggado
> >(Kyonggido) where the Kings city lies.
> 
> Which "big river" would that have been? One would say: the Kumkang, which
> flows directly north of Kongju. But the border of Kyonggi-do lies still
> another 60 kms more north! It is not 100% sure that Hamel meant that they
> entered Kyonggi-do after passing the river, but it looks obvious. Nowadays,
> you would enter Kyonggi-do near P'yongt'aek. But it is possible that they
> took a more western route, in that case they had to cross a big river
> indeed (Asan Man) to enter Kyonggi-do.
> 
> Does anybody know about roads from Seoul to Kongju in the 17th century?
> 
> Jan Boonstra
> http://bora.dacom.co.kr/~boonstra


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