[KS] old MS Word / Korean font question
naesung at gmail.com
Sun Nov 17 16:15:14 EST 2013
As it is an encoding issue, it is probably not impossible to solve. But
there don't seem to be any readily available tools to make it easy. Any
chance you can share one of the original files for us to look at? Otherwise
it's all just speculation.
On Nov 17, 2013 3:33 PM, "Frank Hoffmann" <hoffmann at koreanstudies.com>
> Nick ... expressing an academic interest in fonts???
> A *practical* solution can in this situation only mean to *convert*
> texts in an old MS Word format to some format that I can still work
> with now, or at the very minimum read (e.g. as PDF).
> The issue is about converting texts produced with 1990s pre-Unicode CJK
> fonts to Unicode CJK fonts. (OS 9 still used pre-Unicode CJK fonts.)
> That is the only issue.
> On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:45:18 -0000, n.spencer at risingsun.co.uk wrote:
> > Hi Frank,
> > Only trying to help.
> > I thought you were facing an actual practical problem, rather than
> > expressing an academic interest in fonts.
> > If it's the former I could help, as I have a couple of systems I
> > regularly use to run OS9 for historical reasons.
> > There are also numerous other approaches you could try using perhaps
> > OSX versions of the word processors with high level text editor
> > functions such as Nisus etc. or text editors like Jedit X (not jEdit)
> > etc. which were developed to be good at handling double byte fonts
> > but had to live in a Microsoft dominated world.
> > Regards,
> > Nick Spencer
> > Rising Sun Communications Ltd.
> > (Chinese, Korean and Japanese Translators)
> > http://www.risingsun.co.uk
> > -----Original Message----- From: Frank Hoffmann
> > Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 1:21 PM
> > To: koreanstudies at koreanstudies.com
> > Subject: Re: [KS] old MS Word / Korean font question
> > Thanks Nick:
> > Sheepshaver -- that means running a virtual OS that has to be installed
> > first, not to forget Sheepshaver itself, and an old version of MS Word.
> > That is not a "conversion" then -- and is a lot of work to set up! Even
> > if I have that, I still cannot copy over text from the old to the new
> > system, it would just be some sort of 'reader'.
> > The issue is not with formatting (paragraphs, bold, Italics, etc.) but
> > with how CJK fonts were encoded then and are encoded now. At least
> > that's what I think -- am not completely understanding the exact
> > technical issue.
> > Still thanks for the Sheepshaver suggestion, maybe of use for others
> > who have tons and tons of texts or applications they still need.
> > Best,
> > Frank
> > On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 12:14:41 -0000, n.spencer at risingsun.co.uk wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> I take it that you are just interested in preserving lay-out.......
> >> or is it just long files of text including paragraph /line returns
> >> etc. that you want converted?
> >> If it is the latter you want, I can't see it being too hard, the
> >> former would be more difficult...but potentially still doable if you
> >> really need the lay-out.
> >> I have been using Macs since 1991, although of late have done most of
> >> my work on PCs.
> >> It is possible to run Mac OS7-OS9 on intel macs quite well......the
> >> simplest way would be by using Sheepshaver, which is a method
> >> originally devised by some academics and others to manage to run
> >> Macintosh Wordperfect on Macintosh Power PC chips, and then on
> >> Macintosh Intel Chips.
> >> I will be busy with my current workload until the end of November,
> >> but if you wanted to send me one of your files, I would see what I
> >> could do early in December.
> >> Kind regards,
> >> Nick Spencer
> >> Rising Sun Communications Ltd.
> >> (Chinese, Korean and Japanese Translators)
> >> http://www.risingsun.co.uk
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Frank Hoffmann
> >> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 11:36 AM
> >> To: koreanstudies at koreanstudies.com
> >> Subject: Re: [KS] old MS Word / Korean font question
> >> Thanks, Professor Janelli. It seems the issue you had and solved was
> >> less severe (seems not to apply here).
> >> I am almost convinced now that there seems no way to convert old MS
> >> Word texts WITH East Asian fonts saved in MS Word 6 or other 1990s
> >> versions under OS 7, 8, or 9 on a new Mac.
> >> Up to Mac OS X.6 (Snow Leopard), Mac still would run Rosetta, a piece
> >> of binary translator software that allowed to emulate the old PowerPC
> >> processor applications on new Intel-based Mac hardware. In other words,
> >> we could run a virtual "Classic" OS like Mac OS 9, and *older*
> >> applications would just automatically open under that virtualized OS.
> >> Older MS Word texts with CJC fonts, created in the 1990s, would thus be
> >> available. Since Mac OS X.7 (Lion) Rosetta is gone, and so this is
> >> impossible now.
> >> It seems the only way to convert old texts (again, the problem are just
> >> the Asian fonts), would be to somehow create PDF files *on* an old OS
> >> 7, 8, or 9 system. ... But I am even not sure if those would then be
> >> readable (with correct display of Asian fonts). ... I believe though,
> >> that those old MS Word versions did not have the "Save as PDF" function
> >> build in.
> >> Thanks.
> >> Frank
> >> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:13:48 +0000, Janelli, Roger L. wrote:
> >>> Dear Frank,
> >>> I’ve experienced a similar problem and found that inserting a single
> >>> Korean letter at the start of a word converts the whole word to
> >>> Hangeul. Then the inserted latter can be removed.
> >>> Beat,
> >>> Roger
> >>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:39 AM, Frank Hoffmann
> >>> <hoffmann at koreanstudies.com> wrote:
> >>>> Dear All:
> >>>> A quick question:
> >>>> On the Mac I mostly used "AppleMyungjo" in the 1990s, and a font of
> >>>> that name is still present now in the latest OS (X.9). But I only see
> >>>> scrambled text like this: ãÛ≠ å´ßÔ
> >>>> The problem seems to occur because of the Unicode conversion, I think.
> >>>> No interest to research that, just looking for a practical solution.
> >>>> Does anyone know of a way to convert old MS Word texts using
> >>>> AppleMyungjo or similar old CJK fonts so the characters show again?
> >>>> Did you experience the same problem on Windows PCs?
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Frank
> >>>> --------------------------------------
> >>>> Frank Hoffmann
> >>>> http://koreanstudies.com
> >> --------------------------------------
> >> Frank Hoffmann
> >> http://koreanstudies.com
> > --------------------------------------
> > Frank Hoffmann
> > http://koreanstudies.com
> Frank Hoffmann
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