[KS] candlelight demonstrations in Korea and the beef deal issue

Richardson richardson at dprkstudies.org
Mon Jun 9 16:58:40 EDT 2008

Hi Alice,

There are other sources cited besides the Post and Yonhap, and several 
websites linked to in the text of the article but not included as a 
reference at the end of the article, including some that are 
left-leaning. Perhaps those are what Scott referred to.

Also, 30 month-old cattle is indeed consumed in the U.S. Stats for that 
beef going to Korea also interesting. (via BBC on 05 June 2008 

    But according to statistics from the US beef industry, 18% of cattle
    slaughtered in the US for human consumption is above, *in many cases
    well above, 30 months of age*.

    *The meat from these animals, considered perfectly safe*, is ground
    into beef for burgers and other such delights.

    Americans, it seems, do not just eat 30-month-old cows, they eat
    them in vast quantities.

    And according to Joe Schuele from the US National Cattlemen's Beef
    Association, "research shows that before exports were stopped in
    2003, *less than 2% of the total beef we sent to South Korea came
    from cattle aged over 30 months"*.

    It is hardly a flood.



Alice S. Kim wrote:
> Dear Scott Burgeson,
> 1. I hardly think the Yonhap news agency and the Washington Post, 
> referenced in the article's endnotes, are 'left-leaning' sources. And 
> even Oh my news is debatable.  
>  2. Regarding  your first point of contention (1.), which appears to 
> have become a common rejoinder amongst conservative ranks in SK, 
>  could you please provide a reliable and up-to-date source for your 
> statement regarding beef over 30 months old being "widely used esp. 
> for hamburger meat in the US"?  
> I myself can't find such a source.  What I have found from a quick 
> look at the USDA website is the following:
> In a speech titled "Beef: Building Markets, Ensuring Health" from 
> November 2006 by the South Dakota Cattlemen's Association, on page 3 
> (under subheading BSE), it states that Canadian beef imports under 30 
> months are permitted while importing beef older than 30 months are 
> still under consideration. 
> http://www.aphis.usda.gov/newsroom/speeches/content/2006/11/document/SD-CattleFinal11-30.pdf
> This August 2005 class II recall of beef from a wisconsin firm  states: 
> "Green Bay Dressed Beef, a Green Bay, Wis., establishment, is 
> voluntarily recalling approximately 1,856 pounds of beef products that 
> may contain portions of the backbone from a cow just over 30 months 
> old, the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Food Safety and Inspection 
> Service announced today. The product was from a cow imported directly 
> for slaughter from Canada. 
> Based on information provided by Canada, the products subject to this 
> Class II recall are from a cow that is approximately one month older 
> than the 30-month age limit. Both ante-mortem and post-mortem 
> inspection were done on the cow in question. FSIS inspection program 
> personnel determined the cow to be healthy and fit for human food. 
> FSIS' designation of this recall as Class II is because it is a 
> situation where there is a remote probability of adverse health 
> consequences from the use of the product. 
> http://www.fsis.usda.gov/News_&_Events/Recall_032_2005_Release/index.asp 
> <http://www.fsis.usda.gov/News_&_Events/Recall_032_2005_Release/index.asp>
> And based on the list of results on this search page for 'beef aged 30 
> months' - it appears rather to be the norm that most countries' beef 
> import agreements with the U.S (as well as U.S.'s beef import 
> agreements with Canada) are limited to beef under 30 months.  These 
> documents are not the most up to date nor comprehensive on the topic 
> but they nonetheless appear to lean in the opposite direction of your 
> claim.  
> http://www.fsis.usda.gov/News_&_Events/Recall_032_2005_Release/index.asp 
> <http://www.fsis.usda.gov/News_&_Events/Recall_032_2005_Release/index.asp>
> Alice S. Kim
> On Jun 9, 2008, at 5:45 PM, J.Scott Burgeson wrote:
>> 1. `While cows 30 months of age and older at the time of slaughter 
>> are in general not allowed to be sold for food consumption in the US 
>> and elsewhere, the agreement between the US and South Korean 
>> government included the import of beef from cattle over 30 months old.`
>> Q: Can you provide a reliable and up-to-date source for the first 
>> part of this statement? I have read elsewhere that beef over 30 
>> months old is widely used esp. for hamburger meat in the US.
>> 2. `A video of a cow in the US that was unable to walk but was passed 
>> as acceptable to be slaughtered and its beef included in the human 
>> food supply was distributed on the Internet by netizens.`
>> Vague attribution. What was the source of this video? MBC`s PD 
>> Such`op? And did that cow actually have BSE (I have heard otherwise)? 
>> Please provide a clear reference if possible.
>>                         *  *  *  *  *
>> Your article implies that there is insufficient democracy in South 
>> Korea but does not really explain why so few people chose to 
>> participate in the Presidential election of Dec. 2007 and thereby 
>> register their democratic will at the institutional level. Political 
>> apathy is distinct from lack of democracy. One might also note that 
>> the GNP won a majority of seats in Parliament in April, yet your 
>> article does not account for this phenomenon either (beyond perhaps 
>> objecting to it on ideological grounds). Up until recently the Korean 
>> electorate was seemingly conservative, which again is distinct from 
>> lack of democracy.
>> ChoJoongDong have their biases but many of the left-leaning sources 
>> you site approvingly in your article have their biases as well, which 
>> renders the persuasiveness of your analysis somewhat less than it 
>> might otherwise be.
>> --Scott Bug
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