[KS] Koreanstudies Digest, Vol 128, Issue 17

Sat Feb 8 17:12:17 EST 2014

Dear Korean Studies List moderator,

The following text was written by me:

" Dear Bill Streifer,

A woman who spent her childhood in an Indonesian concentration camp managed
by Japanese told me that the workers of the camp (not the prisoners, in
this case) were Koreans. The manager of the camp was Japanese.

As I learned at my Jewish Orthodox school in Gush Ezion, Israel, the Nazist
treatment of Jews included complex relationship with the Jewish leadership.
There was this famous case of one of Jewish ghettos in Europe, where the
leader of Jewish community first supplied to Nazis goods made at the ghetto
factory, then labor force, then a certain number of people, then children.
The rest of the ghetto people included the leaders were killed by Nazist
just a few weeks before liberation.

My specialization is 'technologies of self'. Technologies of self includes
how to build a person, and how to break a person. Nazist, communist and
similar regimes have a particular set of skills and techniques, that
include moral/spiritual demoralization, humiliation and elimination. You
can apply these techniques to a person, and also to a nation."

This text should not appear as signed by Henny (Lee Hae Kang).

Please do not post my current letter on the list. It is only for the
moderator.

Thank you,

Victoria Ten
Leiden University

On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 6:00 PM, <koreanstudies-request at koreanstudies.com>wrote:

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>    1. Re: "Petition; "Make U.S. high school curriculums more
>       inclusive of Japanese War Crimes during WW II" (Henny Savenije)
>    2. Korean war photos (Michael Rank)
>    3. Re: "Petition;    "Make U.S. high school curriculums more
>       inclusive of Japanese War Crimes during WW II" (Walraven, B.C.A.)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Henny Savenije <webmaster at henny-savenije.pe.kr>
> To: Korean Studies Discussion List <koreanstudies at koreanstudies.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 16:56:05 +0900
> Subject: Re: [KS] "Petition; "Make U.S. high school curriculums more
> inclusive of Japanese War Crimes during WW II"
>  Maybe history might repeat itself. That's why
>
> At 03:39 PM 2/8/2014 Saturday +0900, you wrote:
>
> 1. Why is this blatantly political appeal appearing on the list?
>
> 2. Why should the US permit an instrument of American public opinion to be
> hijacked to sharpen the nationalist axe of one foreign nation against
> another in a controversy in which the only US interests is that it is
> settled between the nations in interest in a manner that is mutually
> acceptable?
>
> 3. What procedural safeguards exist to ensure that, in connection with a
> device that is intended to provide for the ostensibly sua sponte
> expression, and perhaps official Presidential affirmation, of American
> public opinion, petitioners' identities as US citizens are confirmed (and
> the propensity of Korean nutizens to vote early and vote often is
> effectively curtailed)?
>
>                    _   _
>                 (o) (o)
>      oOOO----(_)----OOOo---
> Henny (Lee Hae Kang)
> -----------------------------
>  http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr Portal to all my sites
> * http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr
> <http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/> *(in English) Feel free
> to discover Korea with Hendrick Hamel (1653-1666)
> * http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/indexk2.htm
> <http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/indexk2.htm> *In Korean
> * http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/Dutch
> <http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/Dutch> *In Dutch
> * http://www.vos.henny-savenije.pe.kr
> <http://www.vos.henny-savenije.pe.kr/> *Frits Vos Article about Witsen
> and Eibokken and his first Korean-Dutch dictionary
>  http://www.cartography.henny-savenije.pe.kr (in English) Korea through
> Western Cartographic eyes
> * http://www.hwasong.henny-savenije.pe.kr
> <http://www.hwasong.henny-savenije.pe.kr/> *Hwasong the fortress in Suwon
> * http://www.oldKorea.henny-savenije.pe.kr
> <http://www.oldkorea.henny-savenije.pe.kr/> *Old Korea in pictures
> * http://www.british.henny-savenije.pe.kr
> <http://www.british.henny-savenije.pe.kr/> *A British encounter in Pusan
> (1797)
> * http://www.henny-savenije.com/tng/ <http://www.henny-savenije.com/tng/> *
> Genealogy
> * http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr/phorum
> <http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr/phorum> *Bulletin board for Korean
> studies
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Michael Rank <rank at mailbox.co.uk>
> To: "BAKS at JISCMAIL.AC.UK" <BAKS at JISCMAIL.AC.UK>, "
> koreanstudies at koreanstudies.com" <koreanstudies at koreanstudies.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 11:43:22 +0000
> Subject: [KS] Korean war photos
> This website has posted a large number of photos of the Korean war, their
> origin is unclear. http://www.flickr.com/photos/china-postcard/
>
> I especially liked this one
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/china-postcard/11987113974/
>
> Michael Rank
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Walraven, B.C.A." <B.C.A.Walraven at hum.leidenuniv.nl>
> To: 'Korean Studies Discussion List' <koreanstudies at koreanstudies.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 13:09:13 +0000
> Subject: Re: [KS] "Petition; "Make U.S. high school curriculums more
> inclusive of Japanese War Crimes during WW II"
>
> Agreeing with Kent that this whole discussion probably should not be
> conducted in this place, I feel bound to respond to the suggestion that the
> Japanese camps were more brutal than the German camps. The Japanese camps
> were in many ways horrible. My grandmother died there of starvation, for
> instance, and there was violence and misery in various forms, but they were
> not industrialized extermination camps like Auschwitz. Up to a point people
> could maintain some dignity and even do ordinary things.  To the three
> camps in which she stayed my mother lugged a 3 kilogram book about
> Rembrandt and  a 6-volume set of *Les Miserables* and she had paper to
> make drawings of her surroundings (one of which showed the book, which with
> wry humour she entitled "Les miserables").  To suggest that the German
> camps were less brutal amounts to Holocaust denial.
>
>
>
> Boudewijn
>
>
>
> *From:* Koreanstudies [mailto:koreanstudies-bounces at koreanstudies.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Henny Savenije
> *Sent:* zaterdag 8 februari 2014 6:03
> *To:* Korean Studies Discussion List
> *Subject:* Re: [KS] "Petition; "Make U.S. high school curriculums more
> inclusive of Japanese War Crimes during WW II"
>
>
>
> I know and have known many people who were in an Indonesian (Japanese)
> concentration camp, some family members, some friends, some who spent their
> youth there.
>
> Each and every one of them told me that they hated the Koreans more than
> the Japanese, the Korean camp guards were more cruel than the Japanese. I
> knew one couple, he, Dutch spent the war in an Indonesian concentration
> camp, she, Jewish, spent the last part of the war in a German concentration
> camp. They both stated that the Japanese camps were more brutal.
>
> At 02:34 PM 2/7/2014 Friday +0100, you wrote:
>
>
>  Dear Bill Streifer,
>
> A woman who spent her childhood in an Indonesian concentration camp
> managed by Japanese told me that the workers of the camp (not the
> prisoners, in this case) were Koreans. The manager of the camp was Japanese.
>
> As I learned at my Jewish Orthodox school in Gush Ezion, Israel, the
> Nazist treatment of Jews included complex relationship with the Jewish
> leadership. There was this famous case of one of Jewish ghettos in Europe,
> where the leader of Jewish community first supplied to Nazis goods made at
> the ghetto factory, then labor force, then a certain number of people, then
> children. The rest of the ghetto people included the leaders were killed by
> Nazist just a few weeks before liberation.
>
> My specialization is 'technologies of self'. Technologies of self includes
> how to build a person, and how to break a person. Nazist, communist and
> similar regimes have a particular set of skills and techniques, that
> include moral/spiritual demoralization, humiliation and elimination. You
> can apply these techniques to a person, and also to a nation.
>
>                  _   _
>                 (o) (o)
>      oOOO----(_)----OOOo---
> Henny (Lee Hae Kang)
> -----------------------------
> http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr Portal to all my sites
> *http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr
> <http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/> *(in English) Feel free
> to discover Korea with Hendrick Hamel (1653-1666)
> *http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/indexk2.htm
> <http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/indexk2.htm> *In Korean
> *http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/Dutch
> <http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/Dutch> *In Dutch
> *http://www.vos.henny-savenije.pe.kr
> <http://www.vos.henny-savenije.pe.kr/> *Frits Vos Article about Witsen
> and Eibokken and his first Korean-Dutch dictionary
> http://www.cartography.henny-savenije.pe.kr (in English) Korea through
> Western Cartographic eyes
> *http://www.hwasong.henny-savenije.pe.kr
> <http://www.hwasong.henny-savenije.pe.kr/> *Hwasong the fortress in Suwon
> *http://www.oldKorea.henny-savenije.pe.kr
> <http://www.oldkorea.henny-savenije.pe.kr/> *Old Korea in pictures
> *http://www.british.henny-savenije.pe.kr
> <http://www.british.henny-savenije.pe.kr/> *A British encounter in Pusan
> (1797)
> *http://www.henny-savenije.com/tng/ <http://www.henny-savenije.com/tng/> *
> Genealogy
> *http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr/phorum
> <http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr/phorum> *Bulletin board for Korean
> studies
>
>
>
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