[KS] Mac Users / Korean: WARNING! (Update to OS X El Capitan)

Donald Baker ubcdbaker at hotmail.com
Sat Oct 3 19:48:33 EDT 2015

I’m still using Yosemite and I can confirm that those extra spaces cannot be erased in either the 2011 or the 2016 versions of MS Word.

I haven’t yet encountered the problem with overlapping Hanja, but let’s see what happens when I get my current manuscript back from my publisher.


> On Oct 4, 2015, at 5:36 AM, Frank Hoffmann <hoffmann at koreanstudies.com> wrote:
> Dear All (Windows users, please ignore):
> (1) Clarification of space problem
> (2) !!! NEW additional WARNING !!!
> (1) Clarification of problem
> It seems that the spacing problem (reported earlier, in good faith, I 
> must say), is of a different nature than I thought it was:
> this is that "extra-space-after-numbers in Korean fonts" problem. Now I 
> noticed that this seems neither to relate directly to differences 
> between Apple's Mac OS X versions nor to differences in MS Word 
> versions 2011 and 2016. 
> It *is* clearly a problem in the Mac version of MS Word 2011 AND 2016, 
> but I just cannot figure out what is going on. Maybe you can? Please do 
> post if you understand this and have a solution.
> Below are two TEST files -- a MS Word 2011 and a 2016 file -- followed 
> by a PDF with the same content that shows the issue (for those using 
> Windows). 
> In LINES 3, 5, and 8 you do see these *extra spaces* following numbers. 
> If you open the MS Word files, please try to DELETE those spaces ... I 
> at least am unable to do so, and I have no explanation for these 
> differences (within the SAME font).
> I *believe* that the problem came into some of my texts after 
> exchanging them with an editor who uses Windows. Before that, I think, 
> there were no spaces. (I am not entirely sure though.) Now I can copy 
> text WITH these spaces, but cannot delete them -- and when I re-type 
> such text in the same line, I also continue getting extra spaces. 
> Any ideas? (Let me say that this does ONLY happen in Microsoft Office 
> programs, independent of the Mac OSX version.)
> (See attached files at end of this message.)
> (2) !!! NEW additional WARNING !!!
> Just now I found a new HIGHLY ALARMING issue: when opening MS Word 2011 
> texts (produced while still using Mac OSX 10.10) that include Hanmun -- 
> I mean to say, when I open them in EITHER MS Word 2011 OR 2016 -- all 
> Hanja now look scrambled like this: those characters in below screen 
> shot are supposed to read 山神.
> <1cap-201510276_121022.jpg>
> The characters are still "in tact" -- I can copy them and paste them 
> into some other program and they look fine, but the kerning is totally 
> off (in every single case!) -- the characters overlap. My suspicion is 
> that this might be a problem limited to the Batang/바탕 font only (the 
> only one I use). POSSIBLY only in texts that were received from a 
> Windows user, as somehow Windows auto-converts the font name from "바탕
> " to "Batang" (in Latin letters) on a Windows system, and while the 
> older Mac OS "knew" that Batang equals 바탕, the new OS 10.11 seems not 
> to know what that is. Again, this is only my suspicion, no more. 
> IMPORTANT is that you need to be aware of this, as it creates a big big 
> big mess (and it could well be a problem with other CJK fonts also)! 
> And again, this problem seems only to occur in Microsoft Word (and 
> possibly other MS Office programs). ... All feels like everyone is too 
> much into retro -- we had this back in the early 1990s.
> Frank
> <test-MS-Word-2011.docx><test-MS-Word-2016.docx>
> <TEST-unwanted-spaces.pdf>
> --------------------------------------
> Frank Hoffmann
> http://koreanstudies.com

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